halo_jones
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Not my best post but...
Try a little Larry Elder...
Yes i have heard of and probably read some of Harriet Sergeant, but I suspect that i dont need to read the book as, I doubt she can address the core issue, which is quite simply that some people should not breed, but they do. So until that is dealt with we are all just pissing money down the drain, and increasing the number of the the damaged and the feral wasters, not to mention the path towards criminality that is constainly feed into by uncontrolled breeding.
For context, my niece who is mid twenties is one i class as a feral waster despite having every normal opportunity, given to her how much are you prepared to pony up in TAX's to give her 'support'. Last year she earned herself a short term in prison, 6 month sentence out in 3 for assault and criminal, she could not even be bothered to attend her parole so duly a warrant was issued and she was returned to finish her sentence. So how much are you prepared to pony up in TAX's to give her 'more support' when she frankly is not bothered.
Adding to the cost to the public purse she has already 'pissed down the drain' she is now once again pregnant despite having two children removed from her by social services, that was many month before she decided to commit an prison able offences. So again how much are you prepared to pony up in TAX's to give her 'more support' when she frankly is not bothered. I have little doubt she will ever be a productive member of society, so how much should society continue to invest in her, crossing their fingers that this time she will change. When the reality is she has no intention of and what real consequnces will she suffer.
Now granted she was not born in a city, that has much more depravation than the part of Devon we now live in, but my family roots are the east end of London and working class. So I know the issues of criminality and depravation, and being poor and being taught that stealing and criminality was not the right thing to do.
There is only one way to reduce some of that burden, by having her sterilised, that at least would stop her breeding, more cases for the public purse to have to deal with. Remember this public purse she enjoys such largess of is not contributed to by just the rich, its coming from the same pockets as the less well off, including you?
Are you happy being compelled to contribute for another persons child. The social services budget, is under constant stress what would you cut to increase it?
Yes there is a growing black middle class, do you think they all made it because of their personal efforts and sacrifices or because they are diversity hires. I suspect if you where to suggest that they only made it in to the middle class because 'old whitey' gave them 'special treatment', they would tell you to fcuk right off and swivel.
Indeed I would be happy to suggest that they got there in the main by hard work, the same as every other family that worked there way up the ladder, I meet and served with many as well as under them during my service. Would you agree that many of this cohort include serving and EX policemen, fireman, military, and many other occupations, also may consider themselves politically of the right, and also despair at those who are feckless and feral, regardless of ethnicity.
The "The real kicker is 26% of black households that are poor", how many are baby mama's, much like my niece. Remember they also are funded by the public purse that is not contributed to by just the rich, its coming from the same pockets as the less well off, including you? Are you happy being compelled to contribute for another persons child.
Are you happy being compelled to contribute for another persons child. The social services budget, is under constant stress what would you cut to increase it?
Indeed the 'Left' have on for decades on one hand said that discrimination is a terrible thing, while at the same time pushing positive 'discrimination' as a way to end discrimination.
As you say "Education, family values, strong role models, opportunity and support from the wider community all help to raise people out of poverty and promote social mobility but it takes generations to see the benefits." is the way out of both poverty and crime, I think we can agree that government of all stripes in both the UK and in the USA, both federal and state, have for at least the last 30 years have funded from the TAX base promoted polices that will affect such changes.
One could say that the left and the right have a differing approaches, but the bottom, line money has and is been spent but if one is to believe the narratives, being spread by some on the left, activist and various media organisations Its always just racism.
That regardless of all of this investment of money, resources and time both in the UK and USA, is that white people who make up the majority of the TAX base just hate all black people, and want to see them murdered in the streets. I think we can both agree that would be a ridiculous notion.
So why is it that in both the UK and the US that areas that have a majority non white ethnic make up have issues. How much more money should we pour into such areas. How much more go to the front of the line based on ethnicity is required, to make a minority equal to a majority.
Which of course would solve everything, which is the 'bigotry of low expectations' shown by many of those on the left who want equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity.
The simple truth is that much of getting oneself out of a bad life situation requires, more personal effort and desire, rather than a government handout or a ticket to the front of a line. But that does not suit the race baiting narrative of the left and others who want to tear down society.
Try a little Larry Elder...
It's worth getting your hands on a book called 'Among the hoods' written by Harriet Sergeant, right wing think tank researcher and occasional Daily Mail columnist.
She spent 3 years with a South London gang and became absolutely furious about the way they were treated. Missing or bad parents, taken into care with a different indifferent social worker every couple of months, deserted by the education system. She makes no apology for their often appalling behaviour but lays out good reasons why they behave like they do.
Or you could just watch season 4 of The Wire and treat it as a documentary rather than a cop show. No parents, surrounded by gangster from an early age etc.
I've no idea what the answer is but carrying on doing the same thing and hoping for change seems a bit futile.
Yes i have heard of and probably read some of Harriet Sergeant, but I suspect that i dont need to read the book as, I doubt she can address the core issue, which is quite simply that some people should not breed, but they do. So until that is dealt with we are all just pissing money down the drain, and increasing the number of the the damaged and the feral wasters, not to mention the path towards criminality that is constainly feed into by uncontrolled breeding.
For context, my niece who is mid twenties is one i class as a feral waster despite having every normal opportunity, given to her how much are you prepared to pony up in TAX's to give her 'support'. Last year she earned herself a short term in prison, 6 month sentence out in 3 for assault and criminal, she could not even be bothered to attend her parole so duly a warrant was issued and she was returned to finish her sentence. So how much are you prepared to pony up in TAX's to give her 'more support' when she frankly is not bothered.
Adding to the cost to the public purse she has already 'pissed down the drain' she is now once again pregnant despite having two children removed from her by social services, that was many month before she decided to commit an prison able offences. So again how much are you prepared to pony up in TAX's to give her 'more support' when she frankly is not bothered. I have little doubt she will ever be a productive member of society, so how much should society continue to invest in her, crossing their fingers that this time she will change. When the reality is she has no intention of and what real consequnces will she suffer.
Now granted she was not born in a city, that has much more depravation than the part of Devon we now live in, but my family roots are the east end of London and working class. So I know the issues of criminality and depravation, and being poor and being taught that stealing and criminality was not the right thing to do.
There is only one way to reduce some of that burden, by having her sterilised, that at least would stop her breeding, more cases for the public purse to have to deal with. Remember this public purse she enjoys such largess of is not contributed to by just the rich, its coming from the same pockets as the less well off, including you?
Are you happy being compelled to contribute for another persons child. The social services budget, is under constant stress what would you cut to increase it?
I always enjoy reading your replies, they make me suspect you are involved in politics or teach it.
I totally agree that in order to succeed in life you need personal motivation to better ones self and the notion of equality of out come is not realistic (but this is mainly pushed by the more radical left).
To answer your question on if over the last 30 years have we seen improvements in black communities due to state investments, I would say that we have.
The black middle-class would be a good metric to use. I know the left don't really take about the middle class that much, but I think it is a good gauge on how well a demographic is doing.
In the US the % of black households that are middle class is approx 40%, the national average is approx 43%. That is a great results given that social mobility for black house holds in America only really started in the 1960's.
Currently black households are slightly under the national average for upper middle class and upper class, but I suspect this gap will be closed as middle class families accumulate wealth. The middle class can look after themselves.
The real kicker is 26% of black households that are poor. This is where we should be targeting funding regardless of skin colour. Help the poor get out of poverty and enrich the working class.
Sorry if I sound like a One Nation Conservative instead of a radical socialist on this.
Yes there is a growing black middle class, do you think they all made it because of their personal efforts and sacrifices or because they are diversity hires. I suspect if you where to suggest that they only made it in to the middle class because 'old whitey' gave them 'special treatment', they would tell you to fcuk right off and swivel.
Indeed I would be happy to suggest that they got there in the main by hard work, the same as every other family that worked there way up the ladder, I meet and served with many as well as under them during my service. Would you agree that many of this cohort include serving and EX policemen, fireman, military, and many other occupations, also may consider themselves politically of the right, and also despair at those who are feckless and feral, regardless of ethnicity.
The "The real kicker is 26% of black households that are poor", how many are baby mama's, much like my niece. Remember they also are funded by the public purse that is not contributed to by just the rich, its coming from the same pockets as the less well off, including you? Are you happy being compelled to contribute for another persons child.
Are you happy being compelled to contribute for another persons child. The social services budget, is under constant stress what would you cut to increase it?