The Biden Presidency

Real socialism can't work, unless human beings stop being human
But....but....but.......Real socialism has never been tried. I know because Bugsy told me so.
 
Why do you keep trying to get me to argue with you? You seem to be in the mistaken belief that I give a shit what you think. Trot along now. Go play in the wendy house with your friends. ta ta H. View attachment 541360
Sorry, HCL, I was just looking for an explanation on why you thought the appointment of a Trans woman into a position that she is qualified for was amusing.

As you seemingly can't, or don't want to explain that, you seem to think I'm looking for an argument- nope.

However, fine - you carry on and try to make whatever kind of point you think you are making. I'm sure I'll survive somehow.
 

Dwarf

LE
It's a bad idea because of human nature.

It's that simple.
People look back and still think real socialism has never been tried, but then look at Venezuela

It didn't take having a socialist government long to reduce the country to a state where the government were asking people to eat their own pets to alleviate food shortages

Real socialism can't work, unless human beings stop being human
Let's get something clear, I'm not promoting socialism, nor do I need it explained to me.
And Venezuela was just another elite masquerading as socialism to maintain power based on a degree of populism.

I will say that some individual socialist measures taken individually may have merit and shouldn't be discarded without examination.
A national health system for example in concept is not a bad idea. The practice is another matter.

My initial comment was to get the poster to say why socialism is bad without a simple knee-jerk of 'because'.
These things are never black and white.

Neither Biden nor Kamala are socialists and to colour them thusly is to do so in a way that uses the term as an insult. I would suggest a bit of examination of ideas rather than spouting well-worn fables might aid his debate.

Back to the thread.
 
Let's get something clear, I'm not promoting socialism, nor do I need it explained to me.
And Venezuela was just another elite masquerading as socialism to maintain power based on a degree of populism.

I will say that some individual socialist measures taken individually may have merit and shouldn't be discarded without examination.
A national health system for example in concept is not a bad idea. The practice is another matter.

My initial comment was to get the poster to say why socialism is bad without a simple knee-jerk of 'because'.
These things are never black and white.

Neither Biden nor Kamala are socialists and to colour them thusly is to do so in a way that uses the term as an insult. I would suggest a bit of examination of ideas rather than spouting well-worn fables might aid his debate.

Back to the thread.
For every socialist idea, you need a capitalist one to pay for it. There has to be balance, and equilibrium and that's pretty much where it falls flat on its face.

Can I ask what you consider to be socialist states if you don't see The Soviet Union, China & Venezuela as fitting the bill - where should we be looking?
 

Dwarf

LE
For every socialist idea, you need a capitalist one to pay for it. There has to be balance, and equilibrium and that's pretty much where it falls flat on its face.

Can I ask what you consider to be socialist states if you don't see The Soviet Union, China & Venezuela as fitting the bill - where should we be looking?
As the world stands you are correct.

I don't consider that a truly socialist state has ever existed. There has always been the elite that clung to power while the rest lived under restrictive laws and/or conditions.
To find one needs a change in the economic system and a change in mentality that money and power are not the standards of success.

However we digress from the thread. I am not carrying a banner for socialism just asking a poster to clarify or think things through.
Perhaps your question would be better posed elsewhere.
 

Yokel

LE
As the world stands you are correct.

I don't consider that a truly socialist state has ever existed. There has always been the elite that clung to power while the rest lived under restrictive laws and/or conditions.
To find one needs a change in the economic system and a change in mentality that money and power are not the standards of success.

However we digress from the thread. I am not carrying a banner for socialism just asking a poster to clarify or think things through.
Perhaps your question would be better posed elsewhere.

Marxism is about replacing the elite with another one - the dictatorship of the proletariat as Marx put it himself. Then these people, and the ideas they based policy on, are not to be questioned. Hence a Communist takeover is generally followed by mass starvation - just as it was in the USSR, or China, or under Pol Pot....
 
The idea that there is no substantial left wing movement in the US is palpable nonsense, not only is there a deeply entrenched institutionalised left wing, it is also highly successful at implementing its ideas.

Their success derives from two factors: they abandoned Marxist economics decades ago and none of them stand for election, realising that real power and influence for the left resides in the university campus and to a lesser extent the media.

Ask yourself this, where do all these ideas that drive all the sad old codgers on this forum insane come from? Where does the obsession with race, with trans rights, climate change, gay marriage, BLM, open borders, safe spaces, wokeness, cancel culture, political correctness, white privilege etc originate? Cuba? North Korea? Venezuela?

Nope they come from the good ol' Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave.

I guarantee if there is some "left-wing" or "woke" idea that has you flinging your Daily Mail across the breakfast table and spitting bits of toast and marmalade in outrage, it wasn't thought up by Valdimir Putin or Xi Jinping (they would have people shot for coming up with such ideas) it came from some campus in the United States.

And barely did the US campus come up with the idea (and was immediately laughed at and derided by conservatives as looney left nonsense) than within five years not only was it orthodoxy and promoted by the BBC but if you disagreed with it you could face disciplinary action at work, being censored on social media or perhaps even a visit from a police constable.

All those left-wing ideas you rail against and dismiss as communistic balderdash wear big Stetson hats, cowboy boots and swagger out of the homeland of the great individualists and force themselves on the rest of the world.

God Bless America!
 

PhotEx

On ROPS
On ROPs
Yes, but none of those were socialists. All I am asking is why it's a bad idea just because. Too many americans simply discard ideas because they are considered socialist or liberal without looking at the merit of the idea.
You can't ditch everything because it fits in a category.

yet huge numbers of Americans aspire to a military or .Gov job where they get the equivalent of the much derided ’socialised medicine‘ as a perk of the job.
 

ipso_facto

War Hero
Poor old Biden. I really think the people who put him through this over the past year should be charged with elder abuse.

He really doesn't know what's going on. The government didn't send him a plane to come over to DC so he had to get his own flight. No mass of Biden supporters cheering him on (and please no COVID excuse because it hasn't stopped Trump supporters). Trump went to Florida taking the nuclear football (i.e. the codes with him), so it wasn't passed on to Biden. The Pentagon refuses to cooperate with his team and give them information about ongoing operations. DC is literally a prison and is still in military lock-down. No flag flying over the Whitehouse which is unprecedented.

Why are they putting Biden through this humiliation?!

This ain't over folks. Get your popcorn.
 
Presumably he’s your cousin on your dad’s side?
















And your mum’s...















And maybe your wife’s cousin too?

:)
The description of the Trump voter reminded me of my wife’s cousin and mine through marriage. He is 22 years old, open carries a pistol, and has a Confederate flag in the truck that he takes with everywhere. He barely made it through high school, so yes they do exist. But since he is kin I spend quite a bit of time grabbing him by his ear and imparting wisdom on him. But yes my inlaws are the type of people that many on this forum would look down upon.
 
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