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The Biden Presidency

New Labour also created a superb political attack machine, so darned good in fact that they struggled to switch it off. So much so that in the early days some senior figures, such as John Prescott, were actually on record bad-mouthing "the Government", forgetting they were now the Government!

A significant difference was that New Labour moved socialist politics firmly to the right, which proved to be very popular (although it is arguable whether we British are truly capable of German style caring capitalism, which I think was New Labour's strategic aim). To this day, I don't know how Labour managed to royally screw their powerfully representative position and lurch back to the hard left, leaving millions of their new voters effectively disenfranchised!

But back on thread, the Dems problem is that I suspect they are galloping hard in the wrong direction for the mainstream US voter, as opposed to the US elite....

Biden is starting to unite people in ways unheard out here, in opposition to his administration. He is going after the wrong sacred cows.
 
To this day, I don't know how Labour managed to royally screw their powerfully representative position and lurch back to the hard left, leaving millions of their new voters effectively disenfranchised!

Without Ed's £3 Labour voter scheme and allowing Corbyn onto the leadership ballot for 'balance' it couldn't have happened
 
New Labour also created a superb political attack machine, so darned good in fact that they struggled to switch it off. So much so that in the early days some senior figures, such as John Prescott, were actually on record bad-mouthing "the Government", forgetting they were now the Government!

A significant difference was that New Labour moved socialist politics firmly to the right, which proved to be very popular (although it is arguable whether we British are truly capable of German style caring capitalism, which I think was New Labour's strategic aim). To this day, I don't know how Labour managed to royally screw their powerfully representative position and lurch back to the hard left, leaving millions of their new voters effectively disenfranchised!

But back on thread, the Dems problem is that I suspect they are galloping hard in the wrong direction for the mainstream US voter, as opposed to the US elite....
The Democractic Party(Clinton) invented New Labour and explicitly moved the centre ground to the left. This had the immediate effect of denormalising all kinds of attitudes and opinions towards the fringes/deplorables and made many people especially women, open to progressive politics to avoid becoming a deplorable, but the shallower more subtle socialist policies were not enough for the far left.

What has unnerved many in recent years. Is the ranks of the deplorables has started to grow in number and Trump seemed to plug into that dissent and people tired of being manipulated and had simply stopped listening and are thinking for themselves again. The left have responded by bringing in stricter moral codes and using critical race theory to try and force people back to the centre and why cancel culture has become such a meme of late.

In Summary:-
The DNC lesson learned seems to be more ethics and more strictures wot won it.
When in actuality, covid beat Trump and as soon as that fear subsides. The democrats and its state media allies machine will be like the remainer machine and have total control and find some appalling results.
 
This might be how Biden got 80 million votes - Arizona volunteers going door to door to check if the people who voted in the addresses are actually living there

 
This might be how Biden got 80 million votes - Arizona volunteers going door to door to check if the people who voted in the addresses are actually living there

Biden won with enough in hand that made the hundreds, or even low thousands of the most dodgy votes still not enough to effect the result, except in maybe AZ and GA. Of course, an inquiring mind would then say something like 'crikey, what else has been going on', to deliver a free and fair election and the response has absolutely no wiggle room i.e. No fraud.

I read Clarence Thomas dissention on the PA SC Case and he touched on the absence of any interest by state authorities and courts in the widespread rule changes, the lack of transparancy and these voter operations designed to 'get the vote out' by any means neccessary are all still in place and the SC won't be able to ignore this stuff forever.

In Summary:-
Trump was a so called threat to democracy and in order to defeat him, the entire establishment adopted a zero sum game of no fraud whilst Biden was able to garner the astonishing number of 80 million votes by any means neccessary and which, has damaged democracy far more in the long run.
 
Biden won with enough in hand that made the hundreds, or even low thousands of the most dodgy votes still not enough to effect the result, except in maybe AZ and GA. Of course, an inquiring mind would then say something like 'crikey, what else has been going on', to deliver a free and fair election and the response has absolutely no wiggle room i.e. No fraud.

I read Clarence Thomas dissention on the PA SC Case and he touched on the absence of any interest by state authorities and courts in the widespread rule changes, the lack of transparancy and these voter operations designed to 'get the vote out' by any means neccessary are all still in place and the SC won't be able to ignore this stuff forever.

In Summary:-
Trump was a so called threat to democracy and in order to defeat him, the entire establishment adopted a zero sum game of no fraud whilst Biden was able to garner the astonishing number of 80 million votes by any means neccessary and which, has damaged democracy far more in the long run.

disagree about the likely number of dodgy votes but we will never know unless the Arizona senate wins against the Maricopa county board of Supervisors and gets access to the 2.1 million votes for a true forensic audit by a third party - if the people on the ground are to be believed there were 106k dodgy votes and they will never accept otherwise until hat audit is done. There is more court action programmed in for tomorrow so we will see if that does anything but there are also reports that the BoS latest attempts of their own audit deleted votes/records and if that is found to be true that is a definite criminal action.

Agree about the Supreme Court - looks like Mitch McConnell's recommended Conservative SCOTUS picks to Trump are not really Conservative and have no interest in upholding the constitution when it comes to election law which has obviously wound up Clarence Thomas - the Dems will take that as a sign that they can further weaken the system at the federal level
 
Agree about the Supreme Court - looks like Mitch McConnell's recommended Conservative SCOTUS picks to Trump are not really Conservative and have no interest in upholding the constitution when it comes to election law
Of course, they clearly are the "wrong sort" of conservatives, probably Democratic sleepers, that's the most logical explanation. It couldn't be that they were Republicans who very much agreed with upholding the constitution, and that meant siding with the facts and not over-turning legal results just because it hurt someones ego.
 
disagree about the likely number of dodgy votes but we will never know unless the Arizona senate wins against the Maricopa county board of Supervisors and gets access to the 2.1 million votes for a true forensic audit by a third party - if the people on the ground are to be believed there were 106k dodgy votes and they will never accept otherwise until hat audit is done. There is more court action programmed in for tomorrow so we will see if that does anything but there are also reports that the BoS latest attempts of their own audit deleted votes/records and if that is found to be true that is a definite criminal action.

Agree about the Supreme Court - looks like Mitch McConnell's recommended Conservative SCOTUS picks to Trump are not really Conservative and have no interest in upholding the constitution when it comes to election law which has obviously wound up Clarence Thomas - the Dems will take that as a sign that they can further weaken the system at the federal level
The data was clear that something was out of the ordinary and I would not underestimate the part Covid has played, in giving the brain trusts an easy out. Themselves never going out to knock on doors, that alone gives the 106k argument some merit.

The SC are in a terrible position, as the states have jurisdiction and they're have remained solidly in the camp of 'go away'. Thomas has an eye for the future and when Covid is no longer a pressing concern, future election challenges will have to be faced and if any are proven, it will undermine the system more than anything else and the SC most of all, as it would then give credence to the conspiracy and then you will see a lot of people run for cover.
 
disagree about the likely number of dodgy votes but we will never know unless the Arizona senate wins against the Maricopa county board of Supervisors and gets access to the 2.1 million votes for a true forensic audit by a third party - if the people on the ground are to be believed there were 106k dodgy votes and they will never accept otherwise until hat audit is done. There is more court action programmed in for tomorrow so we will see if that does anything but there are also reports that the BoS latest attempts of their own audit deleted votes/records and if that is found to be true that is a definite criminal action.

Agree about the Supreme Court - looks like Mitch McConnell's recommended Conservative SCOTUS picks to Trump are not really Conservative and have no interest in upholding the constitution when it comes to election law which has obviously wound up Clarence Thomas - the Dems will take that as a sign that they can further weaken the system at the federal level
Update: I watched Steven Crowder who spun through 20 addresses and had researchers on the ground showing the addresses of voters. Perhaps your right and the numbers are significant.
 
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Let's be honest if Chump had stolen the election the knobbers who support him would be laughing their balls off and the GOP would deny any attempt by the Democrats to investigate any wrong doing.

So in return IF and it's a BIG IF the Democrats were able to steal the election then kudo's to them for getting away with it. Meanwhile you just carry on reading and watching your right wing idiots trying to prove something that didn't happen in numbers big enough to change a dam thing.
 
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Let's be honest if Chump had stolen the election the knobbers who support him would be laughing their balls off and the GOP would deny any attempt by the Democrats to investigate any wrong doing.

So in return IF and it's a BIG IF the Democrats were able to steal the election then kudo's to them for getting away with it. Meanwhile you just carry on reading and watching your right wing idiots trying to prove something that didn't happen in numbers big enough to change a dam thing.
Here was me thinking you would limit art class to the Trump thread...

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But hey I think mine are better.
 
An Interesting article where Biden cannot make who gets the Vaccine a priority.

Seemingly forgotten under trump where he got blame for everything under Covid-19 this article explains why Biden is hopeless to set the priority-

''I can't set nationally who gets in line, when and first — that's a decision the states make," Biden said while touring a Pfizer plant in Michigan on Friday. "I can recommend."

Under the Constitution, the powers of the federal government are far-reaching but not all-encompassing. States have always retained control over public health and safety, from policing crimes to controlling infectious disease, including distribution of coronavirus vaccines that Washington helped create and whose supply it controls.''

 
The stimulus battle is getting real.



Now that the number crunching is happening for the 350 billion in state and local aid which is part of the vaunted 1.9 trillion relief bill, and the truth comes out. On top of the less than popular 15 dollar minimum wage hike.

The GOP will unite against this bill and if the moderate Democrats are not appeased and the bill altered to meet their approval it seems this is going to backfire heavily on Joe. It seems the tie senate is working more in favor of the GOP then the Democrats at this point in time.

So anybody want to take a guess at the final total of the bill will be? As it appears the 1.9 trillion price tag is going to get smaller and smaller.
 

happyuk

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These people seem to think Biden is going to let them off the hook and cancel their student debt within the first 100 days of his presidency.

BIDEN JUBILEE 100 • Debt Collective

One of them is for $360K FFS. It must actually take a lot of effort to accrue such unimaginable debt. What's more they're trying to make themselves look like they're pioneering some kind of social movement, rather than a bunch of screw-ups that have made horrible mistakes that will plague them for the long-term.


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ABNredleg

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The stimulus battle is getting real.



Now that the number crunching is happening for the 350 billion in state and local aid which is part of the vaunted 1.9 trillion relief bill, and the truth comes out. On top of the less than popular 15 dollar minimum wage hike.

The GOP will unite against this bill and if the moderate Democrats are not appeased and the bill altered to meet their approval it seems this is going to backfire heavily on Joe. It seems the tie senate is working more in favor of the GOP then the Democrats at this point in time.

So anybody want to take a guess at the final total of the bill will be? As it appears the 1.9 trillion price tag is going to get smaller and smaller.
The $15 minimum wage will likely be disallowed by the Senate Parliamentarian, which is what most people expected from the beginning. This would be a good thing because $15/hr, while OK in cities, will not work in rural areas.

Biden has already stated that it will be likely pulled from the stimulus bill. He’ll probably submit it as a separate bill to appease the liberal wing but it won’t go far. It’s political theater for the most part - Dems don’t have the votes.
 

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