The best virus ever?

Very true, that. Did I mention he's a Biblical scholar and expert in the origins of Christianity?
Don't let that very attractive nun in your avatar light up near him.
He can go on a bit about smoking which he is also an SME in.

He is the polymath of all polymaths.

Respec...
 
Don't let that very attractive nun in your avatar light up near him.
He can go on a bit about smoking which he is also an SME in.

He is the polymath of all polymaths.

Respec...
I enjoy my cigarettes. There is nothing like opening an immaculate sealed box of Silk Cuts, drawing out a fresh cigarette and taking the first tasty draw on it.

Smoking is for winners.
 
I enjoy my cigarettes. There is nothing like opening an immaculate sealed box of Silk Cuts, drawing out a fresh cigarette and taking the first tasty draw on it.

Smoking is for winners.
As a kid, most of my friends dabbled with smoking. Some of them became smokers, and smoke to this day.

There's a range of opinions within the smoking community, from 'i like it and that's that' to 'it's an awful curse and i hate it'.

One thing, though, that I recall from my teen years and seems to hold true today, is that Silk Cut are a poofter's ciggie. Even one of my gay mates, who smokes, says that as he lights up a Marlborough.

As a non smoker I hold no opinion. Just sharing this.
 
As a kid, most of my friends dabbled with smoking. Some of them became smokers, and smoke to this day.

There's a range of opinions within the smoking community, from 'i like it and that's that' to 'it's an awful curse and i hate it'.

One thing, though, that I recall from my teen years and seems to hold true today, is that Silk Cut are a poofter's ciggie. Even one of my gay mates, who smokes, says that as he lights up a Marlborough.

As a non smoker I hold no opinion. Just sharing this.
They only say that because Silk Cuts are luxury ciggies, and they can only afford the minging Red Bands. Silk Cuts have come a long way since. They were what the rich kids smoked when I was in school, and they sold for a tidy sum.

These days I use electronic cigarettes that look just like the real thing, except when I'm near @Higgs_bosun .

Edit: I am neither advertising Silk Cut or officially endorsing them. Other brands of stress-reducing cigarettes are available.
 
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They only say that because Silk Cuts are luxury ciggies, and they can only afford the minging Red Bands. Silk Cuts have come a long way since. They were what the rich kids smoked when I was in school, and they sold for a tidy sum.

These days I use electronic cigarettes that look just like the real thing, except when I'm near @Higgs_bosun .

So they were/are aspirational? Eeeh, fancy that.

My Uncle sneered at 'shop bought' fags, only ever smoked rollups.

Apparently he started aged about 12, smoked 60 odd a day, right up until his massive stroke at age 50.
 
So they were/are aspirational? Eeeh, fancy that.

My Uncle sneered at 'shop bought' fags, only ever smoked rollups.

Apparently he started aged about 12, smoked 60 odd a day, right up until his massive stroke at age 50.
Bloody hell. I thought I was a heavy smoker at 20 a day.
 
The second paragraph is interesting. If the first premise is true, does is matter what the ‘foundation myth’ is?
Asimov probably thought it mattered
 

Higgs_bosun

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Death to all smokers and vapers.... you know it makes sense. :)
 
They only say that because Silk Cuts are luxury ciggies, and they can only afford the minging Red Bands. Silk Cuts have come a long way since. They were what the rich kids smoked when I was in school, and they sold for a tidy sum.

These days I use electronic cigarettes that look just like the real thing, except when I'm near @Higgs_bosun .

Edit: I am neither advertising Silk Cut or officially endorsing them. Other brands of stress-reducing cigarettes are available.
And they had the best advert ever.

 
I never heard anyone interpret the Abraham/Isaac story like that. Could you expand?

The three great monotheistic religions all venerate Abraham, to the extent that, collectively, they're called the Abrahamic religions.

Agreed, there's no such thing as society without unifying ideas. New ines come along frim time to time and old ones fade.

I think the Abraham-Isaac story is about sacrifice, rather like the main story of the Bible with god sacrificing his own son. It may also be about letting your children go, which is in itself a sacrifice because no-one wants to let go of their child.

There seems to be a number of different ways that one can live, a popular one for the modern age is the bon-vivant and Epicurean style of philosophy where you can just live the good life - do whatever the hell you want and the devil take the hindmost, pleasure is the most important thing. And why not? Life is like a shadow passing, it's short and none of us will be remembered. Why then not go mad? Spend all your money, sleep around, drink all the alcohol, eat all the chocolate and watch all the porn. Live to excess and damn the consequences, pleasure is the only thing that matters. This is a philosophy which is very attractive and one that I used to indulge in a bit, I remember posting about it on the AYR thread a few years back.

Another thing to consider though, and one that isn't immediately obvious, is that this sort of behaviour breaks people and ruins lives. How many threads are there on arrse alone about alcoholism, depression and mental health issues? I think the Greeks knew this because they had "Nothing in excess/Everything in Moderation" and "Know thyself" written on the temple of Apollo at Delphi.

In a very roundabout way I think this is where the Abraham-Isaac story comes in, because another way to live your life is to sacrifice the present for the good of the future. That means taking care of yourself, your family and others by giving up some of the impulsive behaviour and trying to live life to help and support other people, even if it means losing out on the most important things you have. You also have to be prepared to do this because life is essentially suffering. If you make your meaning in life about the pursuit of pleasure then you've already lost because everything and everyone you love and care about will die.

Being in a good place mentally when that happens is very important because that's when other people will need you and it's also very easy to give in to excess and go out on a massive bender to try and avoid the tragedy.


This is merely my own interpretation of the meaning in the story and the Bible in general. I used to take Higgsy's view that the Bible was bs because it couldn't be explained by Science, but that's rather missing the point - how the hell are you meant to explain the Bible when it was written before Science? That's like trying to explain Hamlet with an experiment. I also don't think it has anything to do with belief because at the end of the day whether you believe it or not is entirely irrelevant. It's how you act that matters.
 
At this time of world sickness it is worth reminding you of some hidden historical facts. Typhus, which was endemic in the population of Polish Jews and Russian prisoners of war, along with typhoid fever and other epidemics in places of human density during the war, was the main killer. The allies had destroyed the supply chain of pest control agents and medical necessities, making the situation catastrophic. Stories were constructed and encouraged to cover up the truth. Another virus known as propaganda spread like wildfire, helping hearsay and fiction to reach an unassailable status.

Hey Higgsy I hope you're alright.

You have an interesting point about the Holocaust, I certainly don't deny it happened but I do question the popular view that everyone died in death camps. This is a very hot potato though and should be discussed with respect as it is a very emotive issue.

From my brief reading around the subject it seems an enormous number of people were gunned down in woodland and obscure areas and I imagine many are still lying where they fell. I don't think the Germans initially planned on killing such a vast number of people (and not just Jews) so quickly and that's why it wasn't very well co-ordinated, but it was certainly their intention to take over Eastern Europe for Lebensraum and enslave the population over a long term period.

You only need to look at how the SS and Wehrmact behaved in Russia to get a general idea of how that would have panned out. The soldiers were given a direct order by Hitler to go out of their way to kill people, any soldiers or officers who tried to show chivalry were soon dealt with. Ian Kerschaw covers the subject quite well.
 
The second paragraph is interesting. If the first premise is true, does is matter what the ‘foundation myth’ is?
I think it does to some extent, that way it also explains many things in History. As per my initial post the French Revolution/Russian Gulags/Nazis and many other nasty events tended to happen when the foundation myth of Christianity was replaced by a more nihilistic world view. Mercy and Christian values then went out the window and nature took its course.

The Greeks and Romans had a similar, albeit slightly different take on things, with their foundation myth of the Iliad. I think this also goes a long way to explaining the differences of behaviour seen in Eastern and Western societies with the beliefs of Islam, Buddhism, Shinto and Hinduism etc. It is also worth noting that all these major religions have integrity, courage and tolerance as common virtues.
 
What is England's 'foundation myth' I wonder?
Tough one, I think it would vary over time. When the Romans were here it would be the Iliad, with the Saxons, vikings and early Christians it would be a mix of Beowulf, Christianity and the early Norse sagas. Then a wider European Catholicism until Henry VIIIs business with his wives and ever since then we've had a fairly mild Church of England/Protestant outlook. Though the idea of the modern nation state is a fairly new one and didn't really take off until the 1700s.

I think that's also changed a lot though since the 50s, now we have a more scientific outlook and multiculturalism to contend with. There's no surprise really that the idea of the nation state and Anglo-English identity has declined and now we're force-fed a globalist outlook where anyone can be anything and even any gender. That's all well and good, provided people know what they're consigning to the dustbin of History before they chuck it all out.

I think the lack of a fixed identity may also explain the massive mental health issues the country is facing right now too. Young men don't seem to know how they're meant to act, who they're meant to look up to or what they're meant to be anymore because they have the infinite choice to be anything they want. As aforesaid, people struggle to make their own values.
 
I think the Abraham-Isaac story is about sacrifice, rather like the main story of the Bible with god sacrificing his own son. It may also be about letting your children go, which is in itself a sacrifice because no-one wants to let go of their child.

There seems to be a number of different ways that one can live, a popular one for the modern age is the bon-vivant and Epicurean style of philosophy where you can just live the good life - do whatever the hell you want and the devil take the hindmost, pleasure is the most important thing. And why not? Life is like a shadow passing, it's short and none of us will be remembered. Why then not go mad? Spend all your money, sleep around, drink all the alcohol, eat all the chocolate and watch all the porn. Live to excess and damn the consequences, pleasure is the only thing that matters. This is a philosophy which is very attractive and one that I used to indulge in a bit, I remember posting about it on the AYR thread a few years back.

Another thing to consider though, and one that isn't immediately obvious, is that this sort of behaviour breaks people and ruins lives. How many threads are there on arrse alone about alcoholism, depression and mental health issues? I think the Greeks knew this because they had "Nothing in excess/Everything in Moderation" and "Know thyself" written on the temple of Apollo at Delphi.

In a very roundabout way I think this is where the Abraham-Isaac story comes in, because another way to live your life is to sacrifice the present for the good of the future. That means taking care of yourself, your family and others by giving up some of the impulsive behaviour and trying to live life to help and support other people, even if it means losing out on the most important things you have. You also have to be prepared to do this because life is essentially suffering. If you make your meaning in life about the pursuit of pleasure then you've already lost because everything and everyone you love and care about will die.

Being in a good place mentally when that happens is very important because that's when other people will need you and it's also very easy to give in to excess and go out on a massive bender to try and avoid the tragedy.


This is merely my own interpretation of the meaning in the story and the Bible in general. I used to take Higgsy's view that the Bible was bs because it couldn't be explained by Science, but that's rather missing the point - how the hell are you meant to explain the Bible when it was written before Science? That's like trying to explain Hamlet with an experiment. I also don't think it has anything to do with belief because at the end of the day whether you believe it or not is entirely irrelevant. It's how you act that matters.
Jordan Peterson walt!

It's important to point out that Peterson's (partial) interpretation of our faith only works for the Old Testament myths. The content of the New Testament is in an entirely different class, as it gives us historical accounts of people who acted on the Old Testament myths, and Jesus 'completed the law' by showing everyone what was forgotten amongst all the petty laws and traditions - simply loving God and each other.

The problem Peterson, and most people, have is the literal accounts of what happened 2,000 years ago are interspersed with supernatural events that can't be easily dismissed - the Resurrection being the primary one. These aren't myths, but accounts that point to some truth about what lies beyond the natural world.
 
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The problem Peterson, and most people, have is the literal accounts of what happened 2,000 years ago are interspersed with supernatural events that can't be easily dismissed - the Resurrection being the primary one. These aren't myths, but accounts that point to some truth about what lies beyond the natural world.
In the same way that you can't disprove that the Flying Spahetti monster was the one that really painted the Sistine Chapel just to troll Christians
 
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