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European Union begins legal action against Poland over Supreme Court changes

European Union begins legal action against Poland over Supreme Court changes - France 24

Latest update : 2018-07-02

The EU on Monday launched legal action against Poland over its controversial Supreme Court reforms, in the latest round of a bitter spat between Brussels and the right-wing government in Warsaw.

The European Commission, the bloc’s powerful executive arm, said a move to reduce the age at which Supreme Court judges must retire from 70 to 65 would undermine judicial independence, breaching Poland’s obligations under EU law.

Radio Poland's reporton the matter is here:

Brussels opens new case against Poland over Supreme Court reforms

The following are excerpts from the article which may be of interest:

Article 7

The European Commission last December took the unprecedented step of triggering Article 7 of the EU Treaty against Poland, stepping up pressure on Warsaw over judicial reforms.

The move could pave the way for sanctions being imposed on Poland, for example suspending its voting rights in the European Union. But penalties on Warsaw would have to be backed unanimously by EU member states, while Hungary has said it would not support sanctions.

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Poland's governing Law and Justice (PiS) party has said sweeping changes are needed to reform an inefficient and sometimes corrupt judicial system tainted by the communist past, accusing judges of being an elite, self-serving clique often out of touch with the problems of ordinary citizens.

But opponents have accused Law and Justice of aiming to stack courts with its own candidates and to dismantle the rule of law.

'Double standards'

Polish officials have argued that Poland had "imported [legal] solutions that already exist in many EU member states,” accusing Brussels of using a double standard.
 

Aviationic

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I think initially it would be difficult, unstable, perhaps even bad for the people living in it. But within a generation or two, it will be the new normal, and Europeans will see it as just how things are. As with everything, once it has successfully become the status quo, it will stubbornly remain so, because people don't like change. Which is obviously the reason why initially it will be very problematic.

Which is probably why it is happening, but happening very slowly. Just slowly enough that people don't feel massively bothered about it (UK excluded of course).

Long-term, it will probably be good for Europe. It will unite dozens of small, increasingly irrelevant, distinct but ultimately uniformly Western nations with Western culture and values into a superpower that is capable of securing its interests in what will be a multipolar era dominated by competing giants.

I think there are risks with it though. Not so much the risk of it becoming an evil tyranny - I think the very values it will be relying on to unite European peoples (democracy, egality, freedom) will prevent that if its architects have any hope of building something to last.

Rather, my main concern is the relationship with the USA. If the USA comes to view the USE as a rival, rather than an ally, and vice versa, then the Western world would be significantly weakened and this would obviously be very bad for us. We would essentially need a cold war with other rivals (China, Russia) in order to preserve our unity with America because giants are bound to compete for power.

But it is an interesting idea, and I don't think it is unworkable at all. Multinational empires do work, indeed history is dominated by them. Rome for example united much of Europe and stood for millenia. It won't necessarily happen but it certainly could and does seem to be going that way.
 
Multinational empires do work, indeed history is dominated by them. Rome for example united much of Europe and stood for millenia. It won't necessarily happen but it certainly could and does seem to be going that way.
The Roman Empire did not last 1000 years. It expanded beyond the capability of it's centralised control centre and failed. The French Empire failed. The Third Reich (fans of the Roman Empire but intent on a singular Aryan race) overstretched itself and failed. The British Empire restored independence to it's former territories. The commonwealth nations helped Britain and it's allies to defeat the Third Reich.

The EEC was supposedly benevolent and intended for economic integration amongst member states. The later part is correct. This was only phase one of a bigger plan. Phase two, The EU, is a transitional project to build a political union. Phase three is a centrally governed super state ie not really an empire, since it requires ceding of sovereignty of it's member states. One nation, one people, one army etc.. It's great from a bean counters point of view but the reality doesn't add up. Talking of bean counters The Head of the IMF, (she is a lawyer and politician), was convicted of negligence but not punished and retained her post.

You are partly right about the way things are going, except it is not the public demanding communism, either under Corbyn or under the EU. It is being driven by politicians through ineptness or cunning, who think they know best and others who stand to profit. You only have to consider Putin's personal billions gained and co-existing in spite of a wish to return to Soviet "greatness". If the EU had been a benevolent, non political, commonwealth of nations, there might have been some hope for it but it seems to be a dangerous, ideologically driven power trip.
 

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The USE was a fundamental and clear long-term objective of the 1950 Schuman Plan. Ted |heath, bent on his own self-aggrandisement and with no biological stake in the future, lied to us in the shape of playing that so down it was invisible in 1970-75. But t was always there, and thanks to Nigel Farage, we have at last woken up to this European aim to destroy our sovereignty and nationhood.
 
Sometime last year in a TV interview Jean Claude Juncker was asked where he thought the EU would be in 10 years time. I can't remember the whole reply, but among other things he wanted all EU members to be in the Euro zone.
Either has not learned from the current f**k up or has already forgotten. The current outsiders are either not interested eg Denmark, because they recognise a train crash when they see one or they do not qualify. For most of the latter it is questionable if they will be qualified in 10 years.
 
Sometime last year in a TV interview Jean Claude Juncker was asked where he thought the EU would be in 10 years time. I can't remember the whole reply, but among other things he wanted all EU members to be in the Euro zone.
Either has not learned from the current f**k up or has already forgotten. The current outsiders are either not interested eg Denmark, because they recognise a train crash when they see one or they do not qualify. For most of the latter it is questionable if they will be qualified in 10 years.

That’s the problem with the EU, it’s become a Cargo Cult.
 
Interesting article, the proposals are all framed in a way to redress the dominance of the US.

In Europe, a Growing Push To Escape the Shadow of the U.S.
end greater political weight to France's earlier call to reclaim Europe's sovereignty from the United States.

Pure Gaullism at it's worst. France doesn't like to be beholden and never has since De Gaulle demanded that F
F forces liberate Paris. They really are a nasty bunch of Reprobates and of course Socialists
 
end greater political weight to France's earlier call to reclaim Europe's sovereignty from the United States.

Pure Gaullism at it's worst. France doesn't like to be beholden and never has since De Gaulle demanded that F
F forces liberate Paris. They really are a nasty bunch of Reprobates and of course Socialists
Exactly, its a very well worded to portray French ambitions as sticking up for the little guys and making the world a more peaceful place. It also paints German economics in a very good light.
 
end greater political weight to France's earlier call to reclaim Europe's sovereignty from the United States.

Pure Gaullism at it's worst. France doesn't like to be beholden and never has since De Gaulle demanded that F
F forces liberate Paris. They really are a nasty bunch of Reprobates and of course Socialists
he was gracious enough to allow the Americans in French war graves to remain...
 

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