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The BBC: are claims of political bias justified? Part 2.

Peter Hitchens would dispute your view and support my own (I call it the Quiet Revolution). Its one thing adopting tory lite economics to win power, but look at everything else they're did and eventually even abandoned the tory economics and directly led to devolution and attempts to push us deeper into the EU, which failed but came very close to fruition.
I never tire of this.





You want to watch your conspiracy consumption, it could push you over the edge. Into incoherence even.
 
And he's quite welcome to, as are you.

Quite how were they abandoned? And devolution was promised, it wasn't a surprise.

Push us deeper into the EU? How? Regional Assemblies, which were the subterfuge? Didn't happen. Didn't 'nearly' happen.
abandon - Don't you recall what the first tory treasury secretary found on his desk (money's all gone).
Blair - gave away Thatchers rebate and wanted to join the Euro.
Didn't happen - Your right, when democracy intervened we were able to overthrow them. But still, the UK has changed enormously during the Blair era and Cameron did little to roll anything back.
 
By 'quiet revolution' I take it that you're referring to their loathsome social engineering as a part of their Great Leap Forward to multiculturalism?
That is about the strength of it... Socialism first wanted to nationalise the commanding heights of the economy and now it just wants to nationalise thought itself and the great leap forward is an unfinished revolution. Those left behind have to be dealt with and like I said, the BBC and other socialist institutions are now fixed on an ideal that the tories will run out of the road one day and gods only know how they're will force everyone to buy the new paradigm.
 
That is about the strength of it... Socialism first wanted to nationalise the commanding heights of the economy and now it just wants to nationalise thought itself and the great leap forward is an unfinished revolution. Those left behind have to be dealt with and like I said, the BBC and other socialist institutions are now fixed on an ideal that the tories will run out of the road one day and gods only know how they're will force everyone to buy the new paradigm.


You know very many words: such a shame that few of them make much sense.
 
abandon - Don't you recall what the first tory treasury secretary found on his desk (money's all gone).
Blair - gave away Thatchers rebate and wanted to join the Euro.
Didn't happen - Your right, when democracy intervened we were able to overthrow them. But still, the UK has changed enormously during the Blair era and Cameron did little to roll anything back.
You seem to forget that Cameron only beat Broon with the help of the Lub Dems and was hamstrung by them for the next parliament. Not all the blame sits with DC.
 
Hear, hear.

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I can't fault yesterday's BBC coverage. I watched hours of it, after all...

I take it M'sieur Oliver doesn't want another contract from the Beeb to front one of their documentary shows, as that's the sort of vindictive organization that won't forget that kind of insult. And no prizes for guessing why Brillo retweeted it.
Fair points. Fwiw, I think his point has some validity. I didn't listen to much BBC coverage of the passing of HRH as I doubted the (corporate) sincerity of the content. However, it seems to be widely acknowledged that they have done a god job.
 
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I thought (naively) that I might get some sense out of the World Service in the early hours. Nope. They had Donut Adebayo on. The guy is a lemon, an uber-woke lefty, and during the Zimmermann/Trayvon Martin story, proved himself to be more than a little racist.

I switched it off sharpish.
 
So the UK was a socialist country after WWII, was it? Riiiiight.

The NHS grew out of a 1943 report written by a Liberal under a Conservative PM. The only major change that Labour made was a fully national organisation instead of a series of regional organisations - but that's in line with Labour's nationalisation ethos. That Labour then claimed the NHS as its own is one of the biggest continuing conceits of post-War UK politics.

There was clear consensus across all parties that a national health service of some description was both desirable and necessary.

Quite how rationing is socialism is beyond me. It was a necessity implemented by a government within a democratic framework. We didn't have a surplus, so things were divvied up accordingly. It's not as if the countryside was turned into one big kolkhoz; the farmers supplying the nation generally owned and worked their own land and were paid for produce, not penalised for not hitting unrealistic targets.

You may as well say that the government has taken on socialist principles over the last year. The flippant might say that keeping everyone under virtual house arrest is hardly a desirable action but, moving quickly on, the government imposing collective measures in response to, or to avert, a development isn't automatically socialism. It's just government.

The Great Reset is just academic sleeve-pulling. In the real world, it has as much economic foundation as Corbyn's Million Homes for the Homeless; in other words, it's groundless - a nice idea(l) but unachievable and, ultimately, unfair. It's more 'one potato each' nonsense peddled by comfortable middle-class polemics who if one potato each became their own reality would be squealing like stuck pigs.
Well said, CC. I think in the mists of time there is a mis-remembering of how the Beveridge Report was implemented; possibly because Beveridge, Bevan and Bevin are too similar in pronunciation to be clearly separate individuals. The Liberal, William Beveridge, who published the report (1943) was extremely angry that Ernest Bevin (trade unionist and later Foreign Secretary) not only derided the report and voted with the coalition government not to implement it immediately but to wait until the end of WW2. Aneurin Bevan was appointed Minster for Health in the Atlee government of 1945; he then implemented the Beveridge report, although claimed it was really based upon the Tredegar Medical Aid Society in his constituency. Thus, Labour were able to claim (ever since) that the foundation of the NHS belongs to Labour, ignoring the influence of William Beveridge. Not until Blair and his quasi-privatisation reforms did this view get questioned.
 
RadioGarden all the way for me. I choose some seriously out of the way places for radio listening.
Same here. Maybe I am showing my age, but I find it amazing that I'm sitting in my living room in the UK, with the sleet / snow horsing down outside, and I am listening to Radio Bendele in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.
 

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