The BBC: are claims of political bias justified? Part 2.

BuggerAll

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All propaganda campaigns start with a process to keep repeating social change ad nauseum as only a good thing and any evidence to the contrary and there is always a counter factual case is simply ignored. That process has to continue until everyone accepts the diminution of what you believe in and its removal to your own individual silo.

Then; you move into the next propaganda stage, which I would say showed up in the rather dystopian BLM/No place for racism hysteria and grown up adults kneeling for no other reason, than somebody told them to do it. We got a taste of that future and its the transfer from acceptance to overt celebration and anyone who challenges that narrative after this period will almost certain be acting unlawfully and my point is we are well on the way to hell, where that road has many false good intentions along the way that ask you to compromise your principles.
I think what you are saying is broadly correct but we should not loose sight of the fact that there is still racism and it is often part of the experience of minority people.

We also have to realise that t can be difficult for people who experience racism to not see it in everything that doesn’t go their way.

If I get stopped by the police I just assume it’s random or something about my behaviour has flagged a suspicion but it’s easy to understand why someone who experienced racism would feel that they are being picked on.

I think one of the difficult things for me is I have found myself second guessing myself and wondering if I am being prejudiced in my dealings with people from different communities. In one particular case I thought the person was rude, arrogant and unpleasant. I start to worry that I only feel like that because they’re not white.
 
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I think what you are saying is broadly correct but we should not loose sight of the fact that there is still racism and it is often part of the experience of minority people.

We also have to realise that t can be difficult for people who experience racism to not see it in everything that doesn’t go their way.

If I get stopped by the police I just assume it’s random or something about my behaviour has flagged a suspicion but it’s easy to understand why someone who experienced racism would feel that they are being picked on.

I think one of the difficult things for me is I have found myself second guessing myself and wondering if I am being prejudiced in my dealings with people from different communities. In one particular case I thought the person was rude, arrogant and unpleasant. I start to worry that I only feel like that because they’re not white.
I think the problem with the debate is its presented by the Beeb and wider media as a problem between BaME and White. Didn't many white eastern Europeans who came over in the Blair era, experience a lot of racism from both settled BAME and white communities ? and/or brought its own preferences/racism over with them. In the united states, don't they're have the phenomena of Koreans versus black rioters in downtown LA and the rising anti-asian stuff in the US appears largely driven from black communities.

The bolded is the key to understand the psychology. As for your feelings, this is the danger as we already have a society which is emotionally immature and reintroducing race as a concept, is very very dangerous stuff and why I have such contempt for the media at the moment.
 

Themanwho

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Something else I noticed when SWMBO switched on BBC Breakfast this morning - I was half asleep, but I thought I could hear music; surely not? Coming fully awake I looked at the screen and there was some heartstring pulling piece about some old dear meeting her 2 week old great grandson for the first time, and sure enough there was sad mood music in the background to inform the audience how to feel, just like in all those movies. This isn't the first time I've noticed this sort of caper but it's probably the most blatant.

BBC Breakfast considers itself to be a news programme, to try and up the emotional impact of a story by having violins in the background isn't exactly what I consider good journalistic practice. What's next - creeping horror choons every time the Government is mentioned? A heroic fanfare of trumpets anytime SKS opens his gob? Ode to Joy playing behind coverage of any UK/EU trade talks? I don't know what's worse: the slide into infotainment or the editorial decision that it's right and proper to manipulate facts by adding musical accompaniment.

Edit: Complaint sent to BBC, for what it's worth.

Reply from the Borg:


"Thanks for getting in touch about Breakfast on 30 March.

I note your concerns with the music played during a report.

Thanks for watching the programme and sharing your thoughts with us. I’ve reviewed the broadcast and located the concerns in question. Breakfast is shot in a magazine format and many of its reports may offer a close look at the lives of those who have been affected by the pandemic, such as in this case, the item on Barbara. There was no biased stance taken in favour or against the government, and it didn’t suggest that the lockdown restrictions were unnecessary.

That said, we do value your feedback as you felt the music wasn’t necessary. All complaints are sent to senior management and we’ve included your points in our overnight report. These reports are among the most widely read sources of feedback in the company and ensures that your concerns have been seen by the right people quickly. This helps inform their decisions about current and future content.

Thanks again for getting in touch."


First bold: Really? Fricking really?

Second bold: I didn't say the music "wasn't necessary". What I said was:

"I don't know what's worse: the slide into infotainment as part of a news broadcast, or the editorial decision that it's right and proper to manipulate facts by adding musical accompaniment."

That's a criticism on two fronts: dumbing-down of news reporting, and attempted manipulation of the news, neither of which were addressed.

No less than I expected tbh.
 
But this is not being run by the elected government.
Government don't really do much beyond manage these days. So when presented with a theory like intersectional race and all the myriad of new ideas to change society for the better and build a new jerusalem that is racially pure and beautiful, governments simply try and keep out of the way.
 

Cold_Collation

LE
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I think the problem with the debate is its presented by the Beeb and wider media as a problem between BaME and White. Didn't many white eastern Europeans who came over in the Blair era, experience a lot of racism from both settled BAME and white communities ? and/or brought its own preferences/racism over with them. In the united states, don't they're have the phenomena of Koreans versus black rioters in downtown LA and the rising anti-asian stuff in the US appears largely driven from black communities.

The bolded is the key to understand the psychology. As for your feelings, this is the danger as we already have a society which emotionally immature and reintroducing race as a concept is very very dangerous stuff and why I have such contempt for the media at the moment.
BAME? More specifically black.

BLACK lives matter, remember? Sod the AMEs.

Quote from Tony Sewell: “When people are this desperate to silence you, you must be doing something right.”

...that’s right, not Right.

What’s going on at the moment stinks. It is artificial and does more to promote disunity than harmony. The BBC is playing out a role as one of the chief architects.

Meanwhile, the over-50 audience is ‘too diverse’ to cater for.

*Laughs ironically.
 
BAME? More specifically black.

BLACK lives matter, remember? Sod the AMEs.

Quote from Tony Sewell: “When people are this desperate to silence you, you must be doing something right.”

...that’s right, not Right.

What’s going on at the moment stinks. It is artificial and does more to promote disunity than harmony. The BBC is playing out a role as one of the chief architects.

Meanwhile, the over-50 audience is ‘too diverse’ to cater for.

*Laughs ironically.
Are you familiar with the theory of the Vanguard ? its the core of socialism that the end goal is to replace the ruling class. To attain that goal, along the way you need a broad coalition of the gullible under some kind of Front to seize those golden spires and so BLM needs AMEs cover and numbers to mask its ultimate goals.
 

Cold_Collation

LE
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Are you familiar with the theory of the Vanguard ? its the core of socialism that the end goal is to replace the ruling class. To attain that goal, along the way you need a broad coalition of the gullible under some kind of Front to seize those golden spires and so BLM needs AMEs cover and numbers to mask its ultimate goals.
Hence the vitriol aimed at Sewell.
 
Sorted for you CC.
“I know I’m officially one of the RFU 'Old Farts' now [a reference to Will Carling's description of RFU committee men] and I'm white, male etc, but I can’t be anything other than how I was born. As Chris Evans was told by Terry Wogan when he took over that treasured slot on Radio 2, ‘Some will like you, some will not and there is nothing you can do about it.’”

Inverdale has suffered for his gaffes, notably the “horrible and idiotic” use of language when describing French tennis player, Marion Bartoli, after she won Wimbledon in 2013. Inverdale suggested that Bartoil had no choice but to work harder as she was “never going to be a looker” - an incident which prompted a torrent of complaints, not least from the then-Culture Minister Maria Miller, and a grovelling apology, which Bartoli accepted. The pair have worked together since and are on good terms.

“It’s there, it happened, it was wrong,” says Inverdale, whose many other actions point to an individual who is actually supportive of gender rights, a point underlined by his robust defence of colleague, Sonja McLaughlan who went public with her anguish at being abused on social media for her post-match interview with Owen Farrell.

“The way she was treated was awful, just awful,” he says. “All power to her for the way she does what is one of the toughest gigs in broadcasting.”

Inverdale has seen the BBC’s rugby portfolio diminish since the days when it was the sole broadcaster and he was the regular presenter on ‘Rugby Special’. In those days, he took to wearing a different rugby shirt each week to be more “down-to-earth, cool and inclusive”, the very things he is accused of not being these days. He was criticised by traditionalists for that look, too.

When he got a call asking if he would consider taking over the NCA role, Inverdale weighed up the pros and cons.

“Would I still be fronting rugby in eight years’ time (the length of his RFU position) when I am 71?” said Inverdale. “The answer to that is obvious. Could I go from poacher to gamekeeper by lending a critical perspective within the RFU for the future good of the sport? I’d like to think I can.

“Rugby is not without its issues but it is a fantastic sport, rooted in its communities, and offers so much. Broadcasting is changing. I would once go to the wall for free-to-air TV. Now that I have seen how many negative noughts there are on the RFU balance sheets, I can recognise another side to the argument.”

Inverdale, by dint of age and profile, may not be seen as anything other than one of the RFU blazers but he is a progressive at heart. He has been involved at one of the NCA constituent clubs, Esher RFC, for over 30 years, battling to use their £1million turnover wisely.

He rejects the notion that the game should revert to amateurism below a certain level to spare financial hardship, arguing that it would stymie “investment and aspiration”. He notes that club facilities, “leaky, smelly loos and the like”, need to be upgraded at many clubs if they are to attract new members as well as players. The semi-pro clubs should consider more “Friday nights under lights” fixtures to free up weekends.

“Rugby has to become more flexible and adaptable,” said Inverdale. “That’s the way of the modern age - for instance, to watch TV when you want, and not when schedules dictate. I want to help make rugby more accessible, more inclusive, more appealing and if that all sounds a bit hippy happy-clappy I make no apologies.

“Concussion is an issue that needs addressing, obviously, and if it means making tackling below the knee obligatory, then so be it. Who knows, football might need to ban heading if it prevents early onset dementia?

“I had a letter from a lady the other week asking if she should spread her husband’s ashes at Esher. I asked her why and she replied that in the early 50s he had played for Esher’s 15th XV and they had been the happiest days of his life. Well, much has changed but if we can keep that connection, that sense of enjoyment, for the next 70 years then we will be on the right path.”

An Old Fart with a modern sensibility.


Sadly now on many/most sport programmes we are subjected to a load of beeb brainwashing/propaganda to suit latest "woke" fashion.
I liked this comment on FB criticising the beeb. ...


Now over to our Racism reporter . If you are lucky he might do some sport .
 
But that penalises those from a “poorer background”


You mean from the sort of family where no male is present and the offspring are from numerous different men as Mum needs to boost her benefits by popping another b**tard out!
 
Hence the vitriol aimed at Sewell.
My favourite quote from Farage remains his comment about Flak and you know when your over a target and about to hurt the other side, is the amount of flak chucked at you from all sides. What he didn't say is the purpose of flak isn't necessarily to shoot down aircraft, but create a cone of death over a target that tries to encourage the bomber to drop its bomb load short of the target.

The reason why complaints don't work with the BBC, or our political representatives appear so useless on the woke stuff. Is because they're metaphorically drop short and that leaves the other sides factory to continue to churn out new stuff to irritate us all.
 
Government don't really do much beyond manage these days. So when presented with a theory like intersectional race and all the myriad of new ideas to change society for the better and build a new jerusalem that is racially pure and beautiful, governments simply try and keep out of the way.
I am not given to over-criticism, but that is not even coherent.
 
I am not given to over-criticism, but that is not even coherent.
Let me illuminate your brain and direct you to the hint: 'New Jerusalem' and then maybe take your spidery neurons and find Clement Attlee and the socialist ideas which created our post-war society... The same determination exists now, except its not government driving the modern utopia.
 
BAME? More specifically black.

BLACK lives matter, remember? Sod the AMEs.

Quote from Tony Sewell: “When people are this desperate to silence you, you must be doing something right.”

...that’s right, not Right.

What’s going on at the moment stinks. It is artificial and does more to promote disunity than harmony. The BBC is playing out a role as one of the chief architects.

Meanwhile, the over-50 audience is ‘too diverse’ to cater for.

*Laughs ironically.
The thing I find depressing about the BBC’s attitude is that they seem either unable or unwilling to see that their push for more ‘diverse and inclusive content’ is and does the exact opposite.

It’s the promotion one group over another, based on their racial profile, which under normal circumstances would be considered racist and illegal, but for the BBC at the moment it’s full steam ahead on the overt promotion of one race over others.

‘Diverse and inclusive’ is the Orwellian language of doublespeak, and there appears to be no one at the BBC able to see that.

Or worse, they don’t care.
 

BuggerAll

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The thing I find depressing about the BBC’s attitude is that they seem either unable or unwilling to see that their push for more ‘diverse and inclusive content’ is and does the exact opposite.

It’s the promotion one group over another, based on their racial profile, which under normal circumstances would be considered racist and illegal, but for the BBC at the moment it’s full steam ahead on the overt promotion of one race over others.

‘Diverse and inclusive’ is the Orwellian language of doublespeak, and there appears to be no one at the BBC able to see that.

Or worse, they don’t care.
I fully believe in the aspiration to be diverse and inclusive but it does make me laugh that people who drive the D and I industry often seem to be clones of each other. They are anything but diverse.
 

Cold_Collation

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Diversity and inclusiveness runs only one way.

I cannot think of anything I have seen recently which unreservedly celebrates the culture of this country. The concentration has been on denigration. Where tradition is observed, it is unwillingly; see the Last Night of the Proms hubbub.

The celebration seems to be of Any Other Culture. Meanwhile, the countryside is apparently racist and even Antiques Roadshow has to be politicised.

There is nothing that talks to me, as part of the majority population, about me - and does it in even terms.

I won’t be paying my license fee.
 
Diversity and inclusiveness runs only one way.

I cannot think of anything I have seen recently which unreservedly celebrates the culture of this country. The concentration has been on denigration. Where tradition is observed, it is unwillingly; see the Last Night of the Proms hubbub.

The celebration seems to be of Any Other Culture. Meanwhile, the countryside is apparently racist and even Antiques Roadshow has to be politicised.

There is nothing that talks to me, as part of the majority population, about me - and does it in even terms.

I won’t be paying my license fee.
To some extent, as I tried earlier to highlight.... The post war settlement decried the old failures and promised to build a Britain fit for heroes and became a sort of year zero reset for the establishment, which merely cemented the socialism required to win a war. I think people underestimate the reality of migration and how much its changed the UK, especially London. So its not unreasonable for those in charge to accept that reality and seek to introduce a new settlement and try to build a Britain fit for all races. Like Attlee you can overreach and change becomes more than a means to an end, but a permanent revolution.

The BBC is the States broadcaster and is both following directives and at times overreaching its mandate to the extent of creating new divisions and that process reached a zenith, shortly before the european referendum and the BBC still hasn't recovered from the nadir of that event.
 

Cold_Collation

LE
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To some extent, as I tried earlier to highlight.... The post war settlement decried the old failures and promised to build a Britain fit for heroes and became a sort of year zero reset for the establishment, which merely cemented the socialism required to win a war. I think people underestimate the reality of migration and how much its changed the UK, especially London. So its not unreasonable for those in charge to accept that reality and seek to introduce a new settlement and try to build a Britain fit for all races. Like Attlee you can overreach and change becomes more than a means to an end, but a permanent revolution.

The BBC is the States broadcaster and is both following directives and at times overreaching its mandate to the extent of creating new divisions and that process reached a zenith, shortly before the european referendum and the BBC still hasn't recovered from the nadir of that event.
No. The idea that socialism was needed to win the war is a myth. Collective government, maybe, but there was one hell of a lot of capitalism going on. And that included to the Soviets’ benefit. Lend-Lease provided them with a level of materiel that was inconvenient enough to need to be written out of histories once peace arrived.

(Hint: Soviet Guards armoured units, their elites, were big fans of the M4 over the T-34, and add in Jeeps, Studebaker and GM trucks, etc..)

Migration, and the radically (in all senses) changed demographics only really started to become a problem under Blair.

We have a country fit for all races. It’s just that under Labour in particular the excesses and prejudices of some of those coming here, and some already here, were indulged for votes. They were excused as cultural and criticism was ‘racism’.

We have institutions which are scrupulously fair, as the CRED Report has inconveniently found.

Have a little bit of ouch:
 

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