The Baltics: should Britain be rushing to their defence?

[HopeGrant]

There was are different possible effects of the big amounts of dust, ash, CO_2, water vapour and fire itself. May be, there will be light cooler, may be - slight warmer, but nothing really strange for the such zone of the risky agriculture, as Russia. And what is more important - nothing strange for the worlds number one in the export of the wheat, with the big stores of food and with the big forests. Do you know how to make porridge with the cork of oaks and birches? Russians know. In fact, even in the fantastic scenario of the temperature fall to -70 C most of Russians will survive without really seriouse problems at least for few years.

You really don’t get it do you. I was always taught that it was wrong to mock the afflicted but it’s most enjoyable watching you make feeble attempts to regurgitate the propaganda that’s been fed to you all your life. It’s like watching the Village idiot trying to tie his own shoelaces
All this rubbish about Russians having some kind of superhuman ability to resist the cold - I have observed your subspecies in the cold and you lot seem to require the same cold weather gear that we do

 

[Grey Fox]

As the theory is based on the clearly measurable effects of a couple of very small volcanoes going off, if this is your straw keep clutching, it may be all you have to eat for several years.

Effect of the nuclear winter, highly likely will be less then from Tambora erruption. What was more important for the fate of European countries - infantry of Napoleon and his enemies, or 'global cooling'?

 

[Grey Fox]

All this rubbish about Russians having some kind of superhuman ability to resist the cold - I have observed your subspecies in the cold and you lot seem to require the same cold weather gear that we do

Sure. Difference is that all Russians already have warm gear, houses with thick walls, enough of oil, gas, coal, or even lumber. What is more important, that they have good practice in the usage of it all.
I mean, -20C in England will be catastrofic, -50C in Russia - just another cold winter.

 

[scalieback]

No. I don't ask you, why he may need to conquere Spratlands. I ask you, why do you think, that he need to stop in the conquering new lands?
And yes, he is clever guy. If he really plan of 'Crymean scenario' for Baltic, it starts with the 'Ukrainian scenario' for EU. Maidan on the Grote Markt, innatural alliance of Neo-Nazies and Jihidists at power, demobstrative murders of the coppers from the Speciaal Interventie Eskadron (as supressors of the freedom) and a casual South-East Europeans - Greeks, Italians, Lithuanians, Poles and so on. And then - then Baltic will beg Putin to protet them and join to Russia.

Jeez, are you drunk already? That’s gibberish.

Bottom line I assume is you think your agitprop can wage a strong enough campaign, along with your meddling and support of XRW and XLW groups in Europe; enough for the Baltic states to beg to become part of the ‘ne CCCP’?

If so, I doubt it personally with the likelihood of Putin having a ‘winter palace’ moment stronger than the Baltic’s coming back undervyour repressive regime.

 

[Grey Fox]

Jeez, are you drunk already? That’s gibberish.

Bottom line I assume is you think your agitprop can wage a strong enough campaign, along with your meddling and support of XRW and XLW groups in Europe; enough for the Baltic states to beg to become part of the ‘ne CCCP’?

If so, I doubt it personally with the likelihood of Putin having a ‘winter palace’ moment stronger than the Baltic’s coming back undervyour repressive regime.

I didn't say, that Putin actually plan 'Ukrainian scenario' for EU. I just notice, that conquere of Crymea was not started by the sudden appearance of 'Little Green Men', it was, in fact, finished by it. Conquere of Baltic (if there will be any need in it) wll be started in London, Brussel and Berlin.

 

[Condottiere]

Fallout is nothing seriouse (if you have enough of territory), anarchy should be supressed by the forces, food storages are cure for starvation, cancer will be in tens of years after end of war, and the 'global nuclear winter' highly likely is just a myth and pseudo-science.

Thus we observe the "Muscovite mindset" at its apogee.

 

[HopeGrant]

Sure. Difference is that all Russians already have warm gear, houses with thick walls, enough of oil, gas, coal, or even lumber. What is more important, that they have good practice in the usage of it all.
I mean, -20C in England will be catastrofic, -50C in Russia - just another cold winter.

And how will the ragged, starving, cancer ridden remnants of your subspecies survive when they gradually realise that the very long cold dark poisonous winter isn’t going to end?

 

[Grey Fox]

And how will the ragged, starving, cancer ridden remnants of your subspecies survive when they gradually realise that the very long cold dark poisonous winter isn’t going to end?

There are no even theoretically possible scenario of the 'very long cold dark poisonouse winter'. Usually, when we play nuclear war, we use dices to determine 'climate change'. If 3D6 roll as 3 (one dot on every from all three dices) - it means 'trigger to the new Ice Age'. So, it means that Russia is going to conquere more warm lands - first of all Middle East, India and Africa. But much more often there are more mild changes - 'one year without winter', or 'one year without summer' or even '+-2-3C to the current temperature'.

 

[Grey Fox]

For one, the best way to understand how to do something - is try to do it by yourself. Lets play game about future battlefield, for example Belgium of 2022.
"It is 2022. Elizabeth Theresa Maria Elena Belgian, Duchess of Brabant, by this time reached the age of 21, first in line to the throne, chooses you (by mutual agreement) on the role of husband. Love, as they say, evil. You live in perfect harmony, spending your third honeymoon (without delving into international politics) and then, Boooom, war. Operational time - July, 13, 2022. Your father-in-law and mother-in-law, decided to escape, but they did not - were shot down by air defense US NAVY ship. In place of government house is a radioactive crater. Your wife is the Queen, you is the Prince-consort, who, of course, seeks to protect his wife from all the trouble and worries. For your personal survival you need a Belgian herd to lead to surviving. Survived Ministers and commanders swear allegiance to your wife. According to available information, Belgium was hit hard with the twenty nukes. About 2 million dead, a crapload of walking wounded. In the Middle East is also flashed, the Norwegian oil fields are burned by Russian reiders.
What will you do, Hopegrant? The version of "run in Australia" not to consider.

All other, you can join game, too. Choose your roles - from the ordinary fisherman for a minister or a foreign ambassador. Describe yourself, get your maps and lets try to save as much Belgians as it is possible.

 

[scalieback]

There are no even theoretically possible scenario of the 'very long cold dark poisonouse winter'. Usually, when we play nuclear war, we use dices to determine 'climate change'. If 3D6 roll as 3 (one dot on every from all three dices) - it means 'trigger to the new Ice Age'. So, it means that Russia is going to conquere more warm lands - first of all Middle East, India and Africa. But much more often there are more mild changes - 'one year without winter', or 'one year without summer' or even '+-2-3C to the current temperature'.

You do realise games are not reality and rolling 3 x D6 doesn’t always equal what happens to the earth?

 

[scalieback]

For one, the best way to understand how to do something - is try to do it by yourself. Lets play game about future battlefield, for example Belgium of 2022.
"It is 2022. Elizabeth Theresa Maria Elena Belgian, Duchess of Brabant, by this time reached the age of 21, first in line to the throne, chooses you (by mutual agreement) on the role of husband. Love, as they say, evil. You live in perfect harmony, spending your third honeymoon (without delving into international politics) and then, Boooom, war. Operational time - July, 13, 2022. Your father-in-law and mother-in-law, decided to escape, but they did not - were shot down by air defense US NAVY ship. In place of government house is a radioactive crater. Your wife is the Queen, you is the Prince-consort, who, of course, seeks to protect his wife from all the trouble and worries. For your personal survival you need a Belgian herd to lead to surviving. Surviving Ministers and commanders swear allegiance to your wife. According to available information, Belgium was hit hard with a twenty nukes. About 2 million dead, a crapload of walking wounded. In the middle East is also flashed, the Norwegian oil fields are burned by Russian reiders.
What will you do, Hopegrant? The version of "run in Australia" not to consider.

All other, you can join game, too. Choose your roles - from the ordinary fisherman for a minister or a foreign ambassador. Describe yourself, get your maps and lets try to save as much Belgians as it is possible.

Come on YarS, you tried all of that last time. I think it is time that you went to bed. There’s an early start for school in the morning

 

[Grey Fox]

Initial report about the situation:
There are blasts in the Herstal, Mons, Charleroi and Namur, the headquarters of NATO, the government house, air base "Kleine Brogel", 2 - damaged nuclear power plants (both stopped, presumably repairable). Also there are blasts in the ports:
River ports: Brussels, Bruges, Ghent, Report, Liege, Namur, Diksmuide.

Sea ports:
Antwerp, Zeebruge, Ostend, Knokke-Heist.

Large territories (above sea level) are flooded.

About two millions are dead, about two millions are injured (from minor to very seriouse), part of them (but not all) will die soon.
Eight millions are still living and healthy, but scaried.

 

[Grey Fox]

You do realise games are not reality and rolling 3 x D6 doesn’t always equal what happens to the earth?

Of course. But in fact, we know, as that one soldier can not desroy the whole London with one grenade, so current amount of the nuclear weapon is not enough to make seriouse problems for the Earth. Nothing more seriouse then big erruption or something like this. So maximal even theoretically possible climatic changes - trigger to new Ice Age for cooling or trigger to New Atlantic optimum for warming.

 

[scalieback]

Of course. But in fact, we know, as that one soldier can not desroy the whole London with one grenade, so current amount of the nuclear weapon is not enough to make seriouse problems for the Earth. Nothing more seriouse then big erruption or something like this. So maximal even theoretically possible climatic changes - trigger to new Ice Age for cooling or trigger to New Atlantic optimum for warming.

As I said, it’s late for you. Time to go to bed. It’s a school night. You can play with your ‘friends’ in the morning.

 

[Oddbod]

Initial report about the situation:
There are blasts in the Herstal, Mons, Charleroi and Namur, the headquarters of NATO, the government house, air base "Kleine Brogel", 2 - damaged nuclear power plants (both stopped, presumably repairable). Also there are blasts in the ports:
River ports: Brussels, Bruges, Ghent, Report, Liege, Namur, Diksmuide.

Sea ports:
Antwerp, Zeebruge, Ostend, Knokke-Heist.

Large territories (above sea level) are flooded.

About two millions are dead, about two millions are injured (from minor to very seriouse), part of them (but not all) will die soon.
Eight millions are still living and healthy, but scaried.

And in response 50 million Russians were just vaporised, with multiple hits on ALL major Russian cities & ALL major Russian military bases.
You just lost & Russia just died, fucko.

 

[Grey Fox]

And in response 50 million Russians were just vaporised, with multiple hits on ALL major Russian cities & ALL major Russian military bases.
You just lost & Russia just died, fucko.

In fact it is cooperative game, its supposed, that all players are almost on one side - on the side of Belgium.
In this scenario, there was exchange of the nuclear strikes between NATO (with the allies) and SCO (with the allies) after both Russia and USA were prepared for it - evacuation of the cities population, shelters and so on. Russia lost near five millions of people and right now (at 13.07.2022) is going to finish capture of Baltic states and to continue attack on the West.

 

[HopeGrant]

In fact it is cooperative game, its supposed, that all players are almost on one side - on the side of Belgium.
In this scenario, there was exchange of the nuclear strikes between NATO (with the allies) and SCO (with the allies) after both Russia and USA were prepared for it - evacuation of the cities population, shelters and so on. Russia lost near five millions of people and right now (at 13.07.2022) is going to finish capture of Baltic states and to continue attack on the West.

Have you been on the krokodil again?

Silly question- of course you have

 

[HopeGrant]

There are no even theoretically possible scenario of the 'very long cold dark poisonouse winter'. Usually, when we play nuclear war, we use dices to determine 'climate change'. If 3D6 roll as 3 (one dot on every from all three dices) - it means 'trigger to the new Ice Age'. So, it means that Russia is going to conquere more warm lands - first of all Middle East, India and Africa. But much more often there are more mild changes - 'one year without winter', or 'one year without summer' or even '+-2-3C to the current temperature'.

So come and have a go then, if you think you’re hard enough.
You might find real war is not like a board game though