The Baltics: should Britain be rushing to their defence?

And not helped by Congressional twattishness in DC, which Putin is just lapping up.
It appears to me that Turkey's lurch towards a more fundamentalist & less democratic form of government was the cause, rather than the response to any "Congressional twattishness in DC".
 
Neither crossed any particular red lines at the time, nor did they directly affect NATO members.
NATO were caught with their pants down - There was an article on Hard Talk as I was getting ready for work this morning and basically some senior Russian specialist adviser to Obama said, we were caught with our pants down - sorry @Oddbod I didn't get the name.

Intelligence failures are intelligence failures and I suggest the Russians have become very good at evading our prying eyes when the need serves.

Last year they moved X number of former transport aircraft to be converted into bombers, purely for defensive purposes, to Pskov, the home of 20K of Russian 'Desant' And on ish the Latvian border, a stones throw from Riga... and in plain sight.

Finally, if no red lines were crossed attacking a free country, why is Russia now under sanctions?

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Canadian PM Trudeau will visit Latvia next week ahead of the NATO summit in Brussels. Trudeau to visit Canadian troops in Latvia ahead of NATO summit | CBC News

He will visit Canadian troops there and meet with the Latvian PM and president. The visit is being billed as an opportunity to reaffirm Canada's commitment to NATO.
The Prime Minister's Office says the visit will be an opportunity for Trudeau to reaffirm Canada's commitment to the NATO alliance and Euro-Atlantic security.
Canada's foreign minister, defence minister, and chief of defence staff will be along as well.

I suspect this visit will be used to bolster the general narrative of all NATO members being united together ahead of what is likely to be a very rancorous meeting in Brussels.
 
The CBC is reporting that Canada will announce that the current Canadian role in the Baltics will be extended for at least another three years and that this will be announced during the visit of the Canadian PM to Latvia.
Trudeau set to extend Canada's leadership role in NATO's Latvia mission | CBC News
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau will "deliver a strong message" of solidarity during his bilateral visit to the Baltic state, said several sources from Defence, Foreign Affairs and other government departments.

Canada's mission leadership role faces a self-imposed government deadline of spring 2019. It is now expected to continue for at least another three years.
Canada has reportedly secured assurances from other NATO members that they will be prepared to stick around as well.
At the same time, Canada has been securing acknowledgements from its partner nations that they are prepared to stick around, said a confidential Department of Defence source.
The above is all the real news in the story, with the rest being a re-hash of the well known NATO political situation and so probably not worth reading.
 
Anti-Canadian propaganda appears to have declined significantly in Latvia.
Cyberattacks on NATO mission in Latvia dying down, says Canadian commander | CBC News
It's been all quiet on the eastern front lately for Canadian troops in Latvia, who say the deluge of fake news and cyberattacks that greeted their arrival in the Baltic state has been dramatically — and somewhat inexplicably — scaled back.
The various anti-Canadian "fake news" stories which were common at one point haven't been seen in months.
But the Canadian contingent hasn't seen any of those phoney reports for months, said the Canadian battle group commander.
We don't know why.
"We're not sure why it has quietened down," said Lt.-Col. Sean French.
Possibly it wasn't worth the effort of whomever was behind it. Possibly they have other events to concentrate on at this time, such as the upcoming election in Latvia.
"It could be because it's not worth their effort. They haven't seen the fake news convince a lot of people. Or it could be because they've got other things to talk about, like the Olympics, the [upcoming Latvian] election or the World Cup."
Canada has been conducting various activities with the local community to counter-act the anti-NATO propaganda.
French said the contingent has been trying to counter anti-NATO propaganda by holding outreach events in Latvian communities and inviting locals to get to know the troops.
Canada has also been educating its troops about cyber-security prior to deployment.
French said his Canadian contingent has seen fewer cyber incidents lately — in part because the Canadian military has been drilling cyber-security rules into the heads of soldiers before they deploy.
The story goes on to talk about a separate topic - particularly the language difficulties involved with the contingent containing so many different groups from different countries. Anyone who is interested in that aspect can read it at the link above.
 
Let's look at the hard numbers then:

Manpower
List of countries by population (United Nations) - Wikipedia
Living in the EU - European Union - European Commission
Russia: 143,989,754
EU: 508,000,000

The EU has roughly 3.5 times the population of Russia. The age profiles are broadly similar, so the available pool of military age manpower should be of a similar ratio.

Money
List of countries by GDP (PPP) - Wikipedia
(millions of $US)
Russia: 4,007,831
EU: 20,852,702

The EU has roughly 5.2 times the PPP GDP of Russia. Note that Parity Purchasing Power takes differences of cost of living and wages into account.

Technology
This is not something that can be measured in hard numbers, but I believe that few would argue that Russia has a decisive lead in military technology to the degree that it would dictate the outcome of a hypothetical European war.


So the EU has a massive advantage over Russia in terms of the available pool of manpower and in financial resources. The EU matches Russia in most fields of military technology, and exceeds it in some.

Where Russia displays an advantage is in terms of greater political cohesion and a unified military command. The EU by contrast lacks "the political will and cohesion to actually display any leadership" in this regards.

To add to the above figures by the way, the corresponding numbers for the US are:
GDP: 19,390,600
Population: 324,459,463

So the EU has a larger GDP and more than 1.5 times the population of the US.

If Trump decides to pull out of NATO then the EU countries have the ability to defend themselves from any conceivable threat, should they wish to do so. That they don't wish to do so is hardly the fault of the Americans.
1) In XXI centure, comparing of military powers should start with comparing of nukes. Russia have much more.
2) If we are comparing not country with country, but alliance with alliance, it's better to compare NATO or EU with CSTO or even SCO.
3) Any potential conflict between EU and Russia means stop of Russian supply with oil and gas, and death of the productive European industry.
4) If EU wish to exit from the American sphere of the influence (to start war for independence) - most seriouse problems will be from the USA and the UK, not from Russia.
May be, Russia will even help Europeans in the questions of the security.
 
1) In XXI centure, comparing of military powers should start with comparing of nukes. Russia have much more.
2) If we are comparing not country with country, but alliance with alliance, it's better to compare NATO or EU with CSTO or even SCO.
3) Any potential conflict between EU and Russia means stop of Russian supply with oil and gas, and death of the productive European industry.
4) If EU wish to exit from the American sphere of the influence (to start war for independence) - most seriouse problems will be from the USA and the UK, not from Russia.
May be, Russia will even help Europeans in the questions of the security.
Nobody cares about whether you have enough nukes to destroy the world 5 times over we only need to do it once and we have enough to destroy what pretends to be civilized life in Russia you rapey mong Yar S
 
Nobody cares about whether you have enough nukes to destroy the world 5 times over we only need to do it once and we have enough to destroy what pretends to be civilized life in Russia you rapey mong Yar S
Less than two hundred of nukes, third part of them will be eliminated by the first Russian strike, another third part are already hacked by Russian hackers, and remains will be intercepted by Russian ABD. But even if all of them will hit all their targets it will be much less than result of German attack in the previous war.
And what is even more important, main strategical enemies of the British independence are EU and USA.
And yes, few tens thousands of nukes (with only three thousands of them strategical) is not something that can destroy the world.
 
As it can be reasonably surmised that the drivel these Muscovite sock-puppet / troll creatures write is approved by their puppet-masters; here we can see the position of the Muscovite State on use of nuclear weapons. They are viewed just as another weapon in the arsenal and their use is planned for to achieve certain military and political objectives (as trained for in recent Russian exercises). Moscow considers it acceptable to use nukes to support conventional operations and seems confident that it would be able to survive a nuclear strike,
 
As it can be reasonably surmised that the drivel these Muscovite sock-puppet / troll creatures write is approved by their puppet-masters; here we can see the position of the Muscovite State on use of nuclear weapons. They are viewed just as another weapon in the arsenal and their use is planned for to achieve certain military and political objectives (as trained for in recent Russian exercises). Moscow considers it acceptable to use nukes to support conventional operations and seems confident that it would be able to survive a nuclear strike,
Sure. And what's about NATO? Do you believe, that nukes are not an ordinary weapon but something demonic, magic or unnatural? I know, there are many nuclephobes in the UK, but is it some kind of the official position?
 
Less than two hundred of nukes, third part of them will be eliminated by the first Russian strike, another third part are already hacked by Russian hackers, and remains will be intercepted by Russian ABD. But even if all of them will hit all their targets it will be much less than result of German attack in the previous war.
And what is even more important, main strategical enemies of the British independence are EU and USA.
And yes, few tens thousands of nukes (with only three thousands of them strategical) is not something that can destroy the world.
LOL you live in a complete fantasy world.
It isn’t Warhammer you know
 

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