The Armed Forces Muslim Association

#1
Armed Forces Muslim Association launched (From Hillingdon Times)

AFMA

There is growing perception that Muslims are not integrated into mainstream society and are anti-establishment - this is a myth
The young muslim lad I had in my unit on Ops was a cracking bloke and bloody useful when trying to understand the locals and the jundies. He taught us all quite a lot about Islam and everyone was the better for it.
 
#7
No it is not a fair one, Mark1234 is absolutely correct.

This is divisive and is just a publicity drive to wheel out every now and then to show the muslim public that contrary to popular belief, we adore muslims.

Muslim soldiers should be treated exactly the same as non-muslims as should all other minorities in the armed forces. Maybe if we treated everyone as equals then a lot of the perceived problems would go away.
 
#8
This divisive IMHO ,we serve together as members of the armed forces, it is not necessary to sub divide this into ethnic, tribal groups, would non asian soldiers be excluded from attending a meeting of asian/muslim medics having a forum on the latest battlefield trauma techniques? absolute p.c p.r. stunt by the nodding dog "yes ministers" fckck sake everone get on with their jobs irrespective , we are all in the same outfit with the same obectives.
 
#9
would non asian soldiers be excluded from attending a meeting of asian/muslim medics having a forum on the latest battlefield trauma techniques?
Why in the name of all that is good and holy would 'Asian' (apparently you have to be Asian to be Muslim now?) or Muslim medics be having a forum on the latest battlefield trauma techniques without inviting anyone else?

Seriously? Why on earth would that ever happen?

Did anyone ever bleat about Church parades or getting given a bible when you joined up or the Scripture reader disturbing your **** to tell you how great God is being divisive? Did anyone ever ask whether white Christian medics would hold meetings about 'battlefield trauma techniques' without telling the blacks and Indians about it?
 
#10
Associations are not allowed in our (Indian) Army and we have soldiers from every religious denomination.

It is most surprising that such groupism is allowed. This can lead to collective bargaining and I would be surprised if that will not be the end of discipline and operational readiness!

These political sops should be avoided.

It matters not what religion one is an adherent of. It is his loyalty to the Nation and to the Army which matters.
 
#11
I wonder if there is an Armed Forces white anglo-saxon association or an armed forces scots association. this is discrimination at its best. I'm surprised the forces caravan clubs have not been infiltrated by the gippos who will want caravans for all service personnel so that they can empathise with moving around all the time and living out of a suitcase / caravan / truck / car etc

Taxi !
 

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#13
I don't see a problem here. I suspect that this group would have little sympathy with anyone trying to pull a fast one but would be able to advise the CoC where there may be a genuine issue.

For example would you know how to deal with a soldier who has a religious obligation to fast during Ramadan and as a result may become unwell doing physical work?
 
#15
For example would you know how to deal with a soldier who has a religious obligation to fast during Ramadan and as a result may become unwell doing physical work?
Abuse his ethnicity and give him a slap, especially if they preached incessantly about Ramadam, gave it large about fasting and their dedication to their religion, only to be found in the back of their ambulance during a deployment to Dornji Vakuf stuffing their face with clacky bars. Eh Mo? You bluffing twat.
 
#16
Associations are not allowed in our (Indian) Army and we have soldiers from every religious denomination.

It is most surprising that such groupism is allowed. This can lead to collective bargaining and I would be surprised if that will not be the end of discipline and operational readiness!

These political sops should be avoided.

It matters not what religion one is an adherent of. It is his loyalty to the Nation and to the Army which matters.
I agree with you. Having differences in uniform between regiments is as far as it should go. I would have nothing against a Muslim regiment in the Army, although in the current political climate I suspect it would be raised and based in the Outer Hebrides. Having interest groups in the army make it difficult to manage, Oliver Cromwell's army being an example.
 

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#17
Abuse his ethnicity and give him a slap, especially if they preached incessantly about Ramadam, gave it large about fasting and their dedication to their religion, only to be found in the back of their ambulance during a deployment to Dornji Vakuf stuffing their face with clacky bars. Eh Mo? You bluffing twat.
I have no sympathy with any religion its all made up but dare I suggest that there are plenty of soldiers who profess to be christians and attend church regular but have sex outside of marriage.

Actually he probably should not have been fasting under the circumstances. If you (or the CoC) and he had access to this group they would have been able to explain that his religious obligations would have been set aside or suspended by his obligations to his military duties and to not making himself unwell.
 
#18
Did anyone ever bleat about Church parades or getting given a bible when you joined up or the Scripture reader disturbing your **** to tell you how great God is being divisive? Did anyone ever ask whether white Christian medics would hold meetings about 'battlefield trauma techniques' without telling the blacks and Indians about it?
Strangely enough lots of people complain about church parades, Muslims being the most vocal.
Are we suppose to get a free bible? I never got one, I feel cheated.
 
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I have no sympathy with any religion its all made up but dare I suggest that there are plenty of soldiers who profess to be christians and attend church regular but have sex outside of marriage.

Actually he probably should not have been fasting under the circumstances. If you (or the CoC) and he had access to this group they would have been able to explain that his religious obligations would have been set aside or suspended by his obligations to his military duties and to not making himself unwell.
Absolute bollocks, what normally happens is some prat of an officer suggests exempting them from PT (Although he was rightly ignored) but its only a matter of time before it happens, we dont want to appear islamicphobic do we?. There should be no religious exceptions in the army, Christian or Muslim.
 

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