The Arctic theatre

From Yars link

Update: Frigate understood to sustain stb bow hull breach with massive water ingress, she’s said to develop heavy bow tilt.

Also from yars link

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Nothing more need be said really

Russian contradictory agitprop is contradictory agitprop
Perhaps the English language needs a new saying - "excuse my Russian" = "I was talking bollocks"?

How is the Norwegian frigate to blame for being rammed?

8 injured after Norwegian Navy ship rammed in harbor by tanker at 4 a.m.
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And Russian hackers have their drills, too...

Norwegian frigate damaged in collision with Greek Aframax tanker, crew evacuated Update frigate to blame
"Greek Aframax tanker SOLA TS collided with Norway Navy frigate HNOMS HELGE INGSTAD in the morning Nov 8, probably around 0300 UTC, in North sea north of Bergen, Norway. Laden tanker left Sture Terminal shortly before collision. According to Norway media reports, frigate sustained heavy damages, water ingress, probably in danger of sinking, all 137 crew evacuated, 7 were slightly injured. Tanker said not to suffer serious damages, as of 0530 UTC she was near collision site, moving in northern direction at dead slow speed, escorted by tug. Salvage under way, many tugs and SAR ships in collision area."

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Interesting bio, particularly the "I’ve been involved in several world-famous accidents," Is his real name Jonah?
My name is Mikhail Voytenko, I’m Russian, professional merchant marine navigator by education and former experience. Presently, I’m most popular maritime journalist in Russia, Ukraine and among Russian-speaking communities around the world. I’ve been involved in several world-famous accidents, including the hijack of ro-ro Faina and mysterious disappearance of timber carrier Arctic Sea (it was me in fact, who made that disappearance public, and because of that story I had to flee Russia).

I maintain Maritime Bulletin as a private maritime news and analysis website for more than 10 years. Recently, I developed website, blog actually, into a news agency, with the help of contributors. All of them are working in maritime industry, most of them are active seamen, sending me news and information from around the globe.
Bit of a rogues gallery:

You seem surprised Western munitions dont spontaneously detonate in adverse conditions

Are Russian munitions (if the fuel hasn't been drunk) that prone to exploding if roughly handled?

Just trolling the troll
Vlad-o-tubbies! Eh oh!

I can say a bit more: "You should not be so careless playing war near Russuan border. If you don't see tanker at drills, you surelly will not reveal submarine at the real conflict".

The price of the mistake:
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But the frigate was stationery!

Are live munitions routinely carried on exercising boats?
Boats? No submarines here.......

Front line warships are usually fulled armed. As a contributor to to various NATO and other operations, the Royal Norwegian Navy has good reason to ensure their ships are armed.
Are live munitions routinely carried on exercising boats?
Dont know dont care - Given the need to re assign ships at short notice - I wouldn't be surprised if at least some were on board so they can bugger off to the Falklands* chase pirates off Somalia, or rescue expats from some 3rd world hole** at short notice without diverting to a home port.

My point stands though - why is the dribbling loon (acting) surprised that a (possibly) live weapon didn't go boom when subject to accidental impact

Are Russian munitions that insensitive and he knows no better / he just is a dribbling retard or is it simply that todays propaganda trick is to ramp up fear of military accidents and exploding bombs - tomorrow of course moving onto what if it was an Accident involving a US ship with Nuclear missiles - etc

*Not applicable to the norgies obviously
** No Not slough
Vlad-o-tubbies! Eh oh!

But the frigate was stationery!

Boats? No submarines here.......

Front line warships are usually fulled armed. As a contributor to to various NATO and other operations, the Royal Norwegian Navy has good reason to ensure their ships are armed.
I was told many years ago when my hair (I did have some at the time) was not grey that all US ammo supply trucks in Germany were kept bombed up ready for deployment. If one was needed for another use it's cargo was unloaded , used and then reloaded with it's stores.

It may have been one of those unsubstantiated rumors.
Swearing in CA? Oh dear.

Anyway, does Russian kit tend to explode if it’s hit somewhere other than intended?
Russian kit tends to explode when it is fired at unarmed civillian airlines oh and when it is fired at Russian AEW aircraft; not forgetting the odd torpedo taking out an entire submarine... their own.
Norwegians are very sceptic about abilities of Septics and Underseptics to defend them, or even to survive in the full-scale war.
"Det er slike argumenter som får meg til å tenke på menneskehetens undergang. For katastrofene som fulgte utbruddet av Første verdenskrig, blir ingenting sammenliknet med de uhyggelige konsekvenser en atomkrig mot Russland vil få for Jorden og for fremtiden."

"It is such arguments that make me think about humanity's downfall. For the disasters which followed the outbreak of the First world war, are nothing compared with the horrifying consequences of a nuclear war against Russia will get for the Earth and for the future."

Lærte vi ingenting av første verdenskrig?
On a vaguely connected theme:

UK leads Northern Group response to disinformation

Armed Forces Minister Mark Lancaster led discussions on the subject, stating the importance of getting on the front foot against disinformation and warning that the threat of hostile and brazen disinformation is increasing.

Armed Forces Minister Mark Lancaster said:

As NATO’s biggest exercise in a decade draws to a close, it is clear we are best equipped to deterring threats when working side by side with allies and partners.
However, we face more than just the conventional threats of old, which is why the UK plays a leading role in all areas of defence including debunking the kind of hostile disinformation we saw from Russia following the tragic attack in Salisbury.
Ministers from the 12 Northern Group nations recognised the value in sharing their own experiences of tackling disinformation as well as acting in unity against future fake news campaigns. It was also made clear that the work undertaken by the Northern Group strategic communications experts will complement the existing activity of NATO, the EU, and the Joint Expeditionary Force.

The Northern Group is a UK initiative which aims to promote more coherent, efficient and effective defence and security co-operation in northern Europe. It comprises 12 nations; Denmark, Estonia, Finland, Germany, Iceland, Latvia, Lithuania, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Sweden and the UK - all of which contributed to NATO Exercise Trident Juncture.
Here is a Canadian view of Trident Juncture:

Trident Juncture 18: NATO’s Norwegian Exercise

Russian President Vladimir Putin tried to give NATO a poke on the eve of the biggest NATO war games since the collapse of the Soviet Union. He threatened to launch missiles into the middle of a 65-vessel Western naval battle group that included an aircraft carrier, assault ships and four Canadian warships.

The missile launch turned out to be a bluff but a Russian long-range reconnaissance aircraft that closely resembles a Bear nuclear bomber briefly caused consternation when it flew within 500 metres of the USS Whitney, the flagship for a four-star admiral giving orders to 50,000 NATO troops. There were also suspicions that Russia jammed GPS signals during the exercise, posing dangers for civilian as well as military aircraft in all the Nordic countries.

The alliance regards Exercise Trident Juncture as a test of its tactics and inter-operability and, perhaps most important of all, the logistics of getting soldiers, sailors and air crew together in what is already winter on the Arctic Ocean and in the mountains and valleys of northern Norway.

As for Canada's role:

This is Canada’s return to Europe a century this week after it celebrated the end of the First World War and 27 years after it closed its Cold War bases in Germany. Yet Canada’s robust presence here has barely been mentioned by anyone in Ottawa. With 2,000 troops forward deployed, this has been by far the biggest, most complex military operation for the Canadian Forces since the Afghan combat mission ended seven years ago. It is a throwback to the ’70s and ’80s when NATO tasked a brigade from Canada with coming to Norway’s aid at a time of war.

At a cost of $28 million, Canada has sent the fourth largest national contingent to Norway. As well as warships, it has contributed eight CF-18 Hornets, an aerial refuelling tanker, a spy plane and a ground combat element built around 3rd Battalion, the Royal 22nd Regiment.

“I would suggest this is a pretty formidable force,” said Anderson, who has served in Afghanistan and Iraq as well as at the Pentagon. “What we have here from Canada is a likely first response to an Article 5 situation” which says that an attack on one member of NATO is an attack on all that demands a collective response.

The Canadians have proven in Norway that “we have retained the ability to project power at the speed of relevance,” he said.
The main purpose of the Royal Marines was always to reinforce NATO's northern flank... which is where their specialisation in Arctic Warfare got them the pencilling of it being their purpose in the cold war... looking at tensions, I wouldn't deem it unpolitically they'll never be not required.

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