The Arctic theatre

Grey Fox

*Russian Troll*
Another funny article from "The National Interest".
Great Power Problems: Russia Wants Control over the Arctic Region
"Much of the NSR passes through Russia’s “exclusive economic zone”—a two-hundred-mile stretch of water where Moscow can set the rules. But other parts, notably the Bering Strait, lie in international waters, where safe passage for foreign warships is usually guaranteed."

Those stupid Septics are showing off too
much. Looks like they want to return Alaska to Russia.
 
Another funny article from "The National Interest".
Great Power Problems: Russia Wants Control over the Arctic Region
"Much of the NSR passes through Russia’s “exclusive economic zone”—a two-hundred-mile stretch of water where Moscow can set the rules. But other parts, notably the Bering Strait, lie in international waters, where safe passage for foreign warships is usually guaranteed."
(...)
The article comes across mainly as wailing and moaning by various Americans over the lack of interest Washington has in the Arctic, except as in Alaska being a place to try to drill more oil wells.

For Russia the main attraction of developing the NSR is to put Russian Arctic ports on a major trade route, which in turn opens possibilities for lower shipping costs and better access to world, particularly Asian, markets. The Russian side of the Arctic Ocean is thawing more rapidly than the other side (due to the more open geography). It will be decades before Canadian waters have opened to the same degree.

As for the NSR itself, as a commercial trade route it is not viable without search and rescue services, navigation aids, towing and repair services, ice monitoring, and ice breaking services which Russia provides. All of that costs money, which the transit fees are supposed to cover. The benefits to Russia however are supposed to come from the increased trade which Russian ports will be more able to access from that trade route.

In Canada some of the ground work is being laid to prepare for this in upcoming decades. However, this is a reaction to attempt to minimise the problems inherent in what is seen as an undesirable development rather than a proactive attempt to promote it. There is overall much less incentive for Canada to develop an equivalent route due to the differing geography which tends to direct trade in other directions.
 

Grey Fox

*Russian Troll*
Just for lulz: Norwegians saw beluga whale, and thought it is trained by Russian Navy.

"Norwegian marine experts have encountered a beluga whale they believe was been trained by the Russian navy to harass foreign shipping as part of a wider program of utilizing marine mammals in military operations.

The whale was spotted in the Barents Sea close to the small village of Inga in the far north of the country last week, The Guardian reported. Fishermen became suspicious when they saw that the animal was wearing a black harness and appeared to repeatedly seek out their boats."

Whale harassing Norwegian ships likely trained by Russia, experts say

What the sort of "marine experts" are they?!?

Beluga whale is too stupid to be trained in Navy (but obviously more intelligent, than ordinary Brit), and used only by FSB and Rosguard to guard sites and search some objects.

Navy use seals, aphalins, and killer whales.
 
Just for lulz: Norwegians saw beluga whale, and thought it is trained by Russian Navy.

"Norwegian marine experts have encountered a beluga whale they believe was been trained by the Russian navy to harass foreign shipping as part of a wider program of utilizing marine mammals in military operations.

The whale was spotted in the Barents Sea close to the small village of Inga in the far north of the country last week, The Guardian reported. Fishermen became suspicious when they saw that the animal was wearing a black harness and appeared to repeatedly seek out their boats."

Whale harassing Norwegian ships likely trained by Russia, experts say

What the sort of "marine experts" are they?!?

Beluga whale is too stupid to be trained in Navy (but obviously more intelligent, than alcoholic rapists), and used only by FSB and Rosguard to guard sites and search some objects.

Navy use seals, aphalins, and killer whales.
So it was a FSB search whale then?
 
Whale found with harness on 'may belong to Russian navy'
Looks like it needed rescuing. It obviously has nothing to do with the Russian Navy, despite having a harness saying "equipment of St Petersburg". It also has that look about it, a tool of the Russian state:


The Norwegian directorate of fisheries posted pictures and video on social media saying: "White whale off the Finnmarkkysten coast that had tight straps fastened around the body is free.

"Crew from the Fisheries Directorate's Sea Service are trained to release whales from ropes and fishing gear and, together with the local fisherman Joar Hesten, they managed to liberate the whale."

One of the fishermen told Norway's national broadcaster NRK that there were "two round straps" fastened around the whale.

"They were clipped with buckles," he added.

The Guardian reported the harness had "equipment of St Petersburg" written inside it.

"When I was lying in the water, he came all the way up to the side, and I managed to reach the front buckle and open it," the fisherman said.
 
There are many organisations, that use equipment made in St Petersburg, and Navy don't use beluga whales.
However the fisherman have only said it “may” belong to the navy, it may also just be a trained whale which has been released, that has the habit of approaching boats & people for food.
Unlikely to have been ‘released’ with its harness still on though

You’re rather defensive over it - does the lady protest too much?
 

Grey Fox

*Russian Troll*
However the fisherman have only said it “may” belong to the navy,
It may not belong to Navy, because Navy dont use belugs. It may belong to FSB, Rosguard or even civilian organisations. Belugs are not smart enough for independent military service, it is well known since time of Admiral Makarov.
 
It may not belong to Navy, because Navy dont use belugs. It may belong to FSB, Rosguard or even civilian organisations. Belugs are not smart enough for independent military service, it is well known since time of Admiral Makarov.
Not smart enough for military service but smart enough for the FSB?
 

Grey Fox

*Russian Troll*
Not smart enough for military service but smart enough for the FSB?
FSB use them as ordinary 'sea dog' for simple tasks under permanent human control - to guard sites, search mines or other echocontrast objects, help in fishing and so on... You cant trust to beluga act independently, with its own mind and intellect. They can't deliver nuclear mine to enemie's Naval Bases, can't find, count and report about enemie's ships, group of them can't blast signal mines around enemies battlegroup and so on... Killer whales (from 'hunter tribes') are very intellectual, very curious, they are good in communications and group actions.
 
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FSB use them as ordinary 'sea dog' for simple tasks under permanent human control - to guard sites, search mines or other echocontrast objects, help in fishing and so on... You cant trust to beluga act independently, with its own mind and intellect. They cant deliver nuclear mine to enemie's Naval Base, can't find, count and report about enemie's ships, group of them can't blast signal mines around enemies battlegroup and so on... Killer whales (from 'hunter tribes') are very intellectual, very curious, they are good in communications and group actions.
The lady still protests too much

Has anyone claimed that they are nuclear whales etc?
 

Grey Fox

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Has anyone claimed that they are nuclear whales etc?
Start with Wikipedia.
Military dolphin - Wikipedia

"Due to the secrecy of such practice, rumors of military dolphins include training them to lay underwater mines, to locate enemy combatants, or to seek and destroy submarines using kamikaze methods."

Laying of underwater mines, as well as searching for it was most obviouse task to sea mamals since (at least) 1915.
 
Start with Wikipedia.
Military dolphin - Wikipedia

"Due to the secrecy of such practice, rumors of military dolphins include training them to lay underwater mines, to locate enemy combatants, or to seek and destroy submarines using kamikaze methods."

Laying of underwater mines, as well as searching for it was most obviouse task to sea mamals since (at least) 1915.
I know that sea life has been used for militaristic purposes.
But have the fishermen / media accused Russia of attacking the fishing fleet with whales ?
 
Just for lulz: Norwegians saw beluga whale, and thought it is trained by Russian Navy.

"Norwegian marine experts have encountered a beluga whale they believe was been trained by the Russian navy to harass foreign shipping as part of a wider program of utilizing marine mammals in military operations.

The whale was spotted in the Barents Sea close to the small village of Inga in the far north of the country last week, The Guardian reported. Fishermen became suspicious when they saw that the animal was wearing a black harness and appeared to repeatedly seek out their boats."

Whale harassing Norwegian ships likely trained by Russia, experts say

What the sort of "marine experts" are they?!?

Beluga whale is too stupid to be trained in Navy (but obviously more intelligent, than ordinary Brit), and used only by FSB and Rosguard to guard sites and search some objects.

Navy use seals, aphalins, and killer whales.
Here's a Norwegian news site with a video of the whale.
Forsker om hvithval med seletøy i Finnmark: Trolig fra den russiske marinen

It's wearing a camera or tracker harness, but there is no camera or tracker fitted. I'm not sure if the Russians are still using harnesses to fit trackers to whales, or if they stitch or nail them directly to the skin like some other countries do.

Trackers report location to satellites when the whale surfaces, and these are used to track the whales (obviously). Cameras are used to study their underwater behaviour, especially how they feed or interact with each other. The cameras supposedly detach automatically after a period of time and are recovered to get the video, but I don't know how they are actually located when they do this.

That is how they study beluga whales in Canada. There is also an underwater whale camera in Hudson Bay where you can watch beluga whales. The camera in this case is obviously not attached to a whale, but to a boat used to study the whales in the summer. Tourists will go out to see them as well. Beluga whales are quite friendly and curious, and will come right up to the boat.
www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/beluga-whales-webcam-1.3721225
www.cbc.ca/news/technology/beluga-cam-captures-churchill-s-playful-magical-whales-1.2742982



There are tens of thousands of beluga whales in western Hudson Bay, but they are found everywhere from the Gulf of St Lawrence all the way to the Mackenzie Delta.

Beluga whales are perhaps not as exciting as the giant man-eating honey badgers the British army were alleged to have used in Iraq, but they are a fascinating species who are the subject of much scientific study due to their vulnerability to climate change. The ones in Hudson Bay are possibly threatened due to the declining ice coverage allowing orcas more access to the bay where they then eat them.
 
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The following video came up as a suggestion when I was watching the above beluga video. It is a video of a summer sailing expedition in eastern Hudson Bay a couple of years ago. While it is not militarily themed, it has excellent drone footage which can give you a good view of the terrain and general environment of the region. This is some of the best footage that I've seen and is worth watching.

Near the end of the video they briefly visit an abandoned military radar station. The antennas are still standing, but most of the support buildings are falling down. They also include some still photos from the period when the radar station was still operating. It was obviously part of one of the long range warning systems, of which there were several lines stretching across the country at different latitudes.
 
It may not belong to Navy, because Navy dont use belugs. It may belong to FSB, Rosguard or even civilian organisations. Belugs are not smart enough for independent military service, it is well known since time of Admiral Makarov.
Here's a screen shot from the Norwegian video. It is obviously a Russian military beluga whale because it says "St. Petersburg Equipment" right on its uniform buckle. In English.
belugaharness.jpg
 

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