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The aggressive camping organisation's recruiting ideas.

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bokkatankie

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British Officers making disparaging remarks about other nations is a critical element of our defence capability.

It lowers their morale, raises ours and reduces their moral component to ashes when face to face with Tommy Atkins.

Besides, what's the point of having foreigners if we can't make fun of them?

It is why we are always so warmly welcomed in Multinational HQ and UN deployments!
 
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I.A. Dada

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Recruiting ideas from the Fatherland:

German army to offer soldiers crèches and flat-screen TVs
Defence ministry seeks to lure recruits with family-friendly package amid criticism from commanders
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German soldiers takes part in n a joint military exercise near Klietz, Germany Photo: Jens Schlueter/ Getty

By Justin Huggler, Berlin

6:21PM BST 02 Jun 2014


Germany has announced plans to modernise its armed forces by offering crèches for soldiers’ children and limiting postings to match school term dates. Soldiers are to be allowed to work flexible hours, and barracks accommodation will be refurbished with flat-screen televisions and minibars.

The measures are part of a €100m (£81m) scheme to make the army more attractive to new recruits. Germany only gave up conscription in 2011, and ministers say it struggles to attract and retain volunteers.

The initiative came from Ursula von der Leyen, who became the first woman to serve as German Defence Minister when she took office in December.

But it has been slammed by army commanders. A senior serving officer speaking on condition of anonymity told Germany’s *Focus *magazine they were policies for “sissies and wimps”.

General Harald Kujat, a retired former chief of staff of Germany’s armed forces, told *Focus* Ms Von Der Leyen’s proposals were the ideas of a “good housewife taking care of her children” who has no idea of the military. In another interview he said that the army’s badly out-of-date equipment was a more pressing concern.

But Ms von der Leyen defended the plan, saying the army had to modernise to compete with businesses in recruitment. “In a society that is changing rapidly, so do the individuals’ expectations of work,” she said. “We have to react very flexibly as an employer, otherwise we will soon face empty hallways and an empty parade ground.” The new scheme, with its heavy influence on childcare, has been linked to the rising number of women serving in the Germany army, currently at 10 per cent and expected to rise further in coming years.

But it may cause some consternation among Germany’s allies that the country has found €100m for such measures when they want it to spend more on weapons and fighting capability.

US President Barack Obama recently urged European Nato members to increase their military budgets in order to defend against potential Russian aggression in Ukraine or the Baltic.

Despite being Europe’s biggest economy, Germany still lags far behind its allies in defence spending. Under a Nato agreement, members are supposed to spend at least 2 per cent of their GDP on defence, but Germany spends only 1.3 per cent.

The new measures will also contribute to the German military’s image with some of its allies as “soft”. One British officer reportedly described the German army deployment in Afghanistan as “an aggressive camping organisation”.

It’s all a far cry from the Prussian ideals of rugged self-sufficiency that once defined the German military.

After the Nazi atrocities of the Second World War, Germany’s army has struggled to find a new role for itself. Even when West Germany was allowed to rearm in the 1950s in the face of the growing threat from the Soviet Union, the new Bundeswehr was set up to be a purely defensive force, subject to strict limits on when and where it could operate.

At the height of the Cold War the Bundeswehr was central to Nato’s defensive plans for Europe, with 495,000 active personnel, and regarded as one of the best militaries in the world. But it was not until 1995 that a reunified Germany allowed it to be deployed abroad for the first time, as part of the Nato peacekeeping mission in Bosnia.

Since then, Germany has taken part in various international peacekeeping missions abroad, but remains an often reluctant partner because of discomfort with its own military history.

These days the Germans are more interested in consumer goods, leisure culture and quality of life than militaristic endeavours. On the whole I prefer them that way.
 
If I were in the Bundeswehr and some chinless British officer called me part of "the aggressive camping organisation", I'd be rather swift in reminding him about Dunkirk. You know, when Heinz Guderian had all but driven the British Army into the sea and was prohibited from finishing them off on the beaches by orders direct from the top in Berlin??

British Army vs German Army? Bit like putting Steven Hawking up against Evander Holyfield......
Indeed but all too often it's the brains that win!
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

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It is why we are always so warmly welcomed in Multinational HQ and UN deployments!

Quite so. The French can cover off the arrogance piece but no-one combines arrogance with crass insensitivity quite like we do.

At a time when military standards are slipping across the entire spectrum of Western fighting forces, it should be a source of national pride that the UK remains best in class for alienating allied co-workers and reducing them to spitting fury with just a casual dismissal. We simply cannot rely on anyone else to deliver this capability, particularly if they're European.
 
Quite so. The French can cover off the arrogance piece but no-one combines arrogance with crass insensitivity quite like we do.

At a time when military standards are slipping across the entire spectrum of Western fighting forces, it should be a source of national pride that the UK remains best in class for alienating allied co-workers and reducing them to spitting fury with just a casual dismissal. We simply cannot rely on anyone else to deliver this capability, particularly if they're European.
Indeed. Only the US comes close in this regard, but the focus of their attention is normally the indigenous population.
 

I.A. Dada

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Quite so. The French can cover off the arrogance piece but no-one combines arrogance with crass insensitivity quite like we do.

At a time when military standards are slipping across the entire spectrum of Western fighting forces, it should be a source of national pride that the UK remains best in class for alienating allied co-workers and reducing them to spitting fury with just a casual dismissal. We simply cannot rely on anyone else to deliver this capability, particularly if they're European.

This phenomenon is apparent at all ends of the spectrum. Our troops systematically rob, pillage and loot their troops kit. It comes to a head when the lads batter the living daylights out of their troops during the token social event. Subsequent complaints are met with the same sneering condescension, and the arrogant implication that their 'soldiers' are babes in arms who can't look after themselves.
 

Daz

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If I were in the Bundeswehr and some chinless British officer called me part of "the aggressive camping organisation", I'd be rather swift in reminding him about Dunkirk. You know, when Heinz Guderian had all but driven the British Army into the sea and was prohibited from finishing them off on the beaches by orders direct from the top in Berlin??

British Army vs German Army? Bit like putting Steven Hawking up against Evander Holyfield......

remind me again, who won when endex was called at full time? :)
 

Auld-Yin

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remind me again, who won when endex was called at full time? :)
Well, the USofA of course, no-one else took part in the defeat of the Bosche and Nips!
 

uavgunner

Old-Salt
Thats oft quoted but having been on ex with them a fair bit I wasnt massively impressed.

I concur

I spent three weeks on exercise attached to a German FOO Party as their LO/Signaller and frankly they were mediocre at best. If their well dressed Great Grandfathers who conquered Western Europe were watching the Bundeswher that exercise they would be turning in their graves.

The French deserve way more credit than the Germans do when it comes to modern soldierly prowess.
 

Daz

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The Red Army. Why do you ask?
Just checking it was not the Germans .... I think someone might of mentioned them, but we seemed to have got away with it :)
 
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