The Act of Killing

#2
I wasnt that impressed with this,not as good as the documentary a couple of years back !
 
#3
I hope that was run through MOD press office (I am sure it was). An interesting take on our craft. Not as balanced as it could have been. Hope the wives and families don't watch it.
 
#6
respectfully I have a question;

how do Soldiers who are Christains or have strong religious underpinnings cope with the fact that they taken a life especially in for say a conflict that is illegal such as Iraq? do they concede that within their own religious beliefs that they shall be placed in hell when they themselves pass away?

Or do they implement a certain degree of selective religion?
 
#7
hattastic said:
respectfully I have a question;

how do Soldiers who are Christains or have strong religious underpinnings cope with the fact that they taken a life especially in for say a conflict that is illegal such as Iraq? do they concede that within their own religious beliefs that they shall be placed in hell when they themselves pass away?

Or do they implement a certain degree of selective religion?
Who says we are all christians? Thats a bit presumptuous don't you think?
 
#8
Ord_Sgt said:
hattastic said:
respectfully I have a question;

how do Soldiers who are Christains or have strong religious underpinnings cope with the fact that they taken a life especially in for say a conflict that is illegal such as Iraq? do they concede that within their own religious beliefs that they shall be placed in hell when they themselves pass away?

Or do they implement a certain degree of selective religion?
Who says we are all christians? Thats a bit presumptuous don't you think?
I dont think he was saying that, OS.
 
#9
hackle said:
Ord_Sgt said:
hattastic said:
respectfully I have a question;

how do Soldiers who are Christains or have strong religious underpinnings cope with the fact that they taken a life especially in for say a conflict that is illegal such as Iraq? do they concede that within their own religious beliefs that they shall be placed in hell when they themselves pass away?

Or do they implement a certain degree of selective religion?
Who says we are all christians? Thats a bit presumptuous don't you think?
I dont think he was saying that, OS.
No, but he/she was trying to judge based on an abstract set of rules. I'm guessing hattastic hasn't even watched the program in question.
 
#10
Strange to suggest that its down to a soldiers training that they don't feel regret when having killed. I for one would have no regrets in killing someone who was trying to kill me/my family/ my friends etc. surly its human nature, not an effect of some kind of desensitizing training.
 
#11
hattastic said:
respectfully I have a question;

how do Soldiers who are Christains or have strong religious underpinnings cope with the fact that they taken a life especially in for say a conflict that is illegal such as Iraq? do they concede that within their own religious beliefs that they shall be placed in hell when they themselves pass away?

Or do they implement a certain degree of selective religion?
I wish I was a Christain, are they like the illumanati?

Oh and it doesn't really matter does it since Hell in all probability doesn't exist apart from if you venture into Burnley.
 
#12
Jord2008 said:
hattastic said:
respectfully I have a question;

how do Soldiers who are Christains or have strong religious underpinnings cope with the fact that they taken a life especially in for say a conflict that is illegal such as Iraq? do they concede that within their own religious beliefs that they shall be placed in hell when they themselves pass away?

Or do they implement a certain degree of selective religion?
I wish I was a Christain, are they like the illumanati?

Oh and it doesn't really matter does it since Hell in all probability doesn't exist apart from if you venture into Burnley.
I'm not stating that Hell and Heaven exists, or that all soldiers are Christains, just that does a soldier who has taken a life who is a strict Christain accept that they will go to hell when they pass away, or is there some kind of internal justification?
 
#13
hattastic said:
respectfully I have a question;

how do Soldiers who are Christains or have strong religious underpinnings cope with the fact that they taken a life especially in for say a conflict that is illegal such as Iraq? do they concede that within their own religious beliefs that they shall be placed in hell when they themselves pass away?

Or do they implement a certain degree of selective religion?


Respectfully replying

Who actually thinks they are going to hell in all honesty these days?
Who actually gives a damn where they end up?

The regret or indeed the guilt of killing another person, im sorry to say, doesnt even cross your mind, when you are in the process of fighting an enemy in hot contact, nor does it fully hit you until after the event.
ie, when you have had time to come down from the emotional situation you were in and the reflection of the days work is done.

I personally do not know of any soldier, who whilst in contact, has thought, "I might go to hell if I shoot this bloke who is shooting at me" nor do I know of any, who in contact, have considered the fact of what they might or might not do to who they are fighting.
You are fighting for your own survival, and as such, regret, religion or whatever, does not come into the fore.
After the event, is a totally different matter, and the two need to be considered so.

Put it this way, if you were being attacked whilst out on the beer one night, would you think to yourself, "no, I shall just turn the other cheek, lest I go to hell"? or would you fight for your own protection? or if your children were being attacked?

Different scenarios same ideas, human instinct is to protect yourself and those you care about, the difference about being a soldier is, you use a gat, and people do die.

If in all honesty, you were so tied up in your religion, that you were concerned about taking another persons life, why the hell would you become a soldier?

And when I say soldier, I mean soldier, not a clerk or a storeman who happens to wear the same uniform.

No offence :)
 
#14
I've never thought of enemy dead as anything more than enemy dead. Part of it, I think, is that the conflicts I've served in have been so far away from the UK that the memories almost don't seem real. I don't know if I would have the same attitude having fought in NI, for example.
 
#15
DeltaDog said:
I've never thought of enemy dead as anything more than enemy dead. Part of it, I think, is that the conflicts I've served in have been so far away from the UK that the memories almost don't seem real. I don't know if I would have the same attitude having fought in NI, for example.
NI was no different - bad guys are bad guys.
 
#16
hattastic said:
respectfully I have a question;

how do Soldiers who are Christains or have strong religious underpinnings cope with the fact that they taken a life especially in for say a conflict that is illegal such as Iraq? do they concede that within their own religious beliefs that they shall be placed in hell when they themselves pass away?

Or do they implement a certain degree of selective religion?
I don't think I've ever actually met a practicing Christian soldier in the British Army - exept perhaps from the Commonwealth.
 
#17
For most soldiersthe desire to walk in the valley of the shadow,is not due bloodlust or suicidal tendancy
but the desire to practice those skills he has spent years learning and refining and to test his individual mettel

Bravery is only the control of fear
 

rampant

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#18
DeltaDog said:
hattastic said:
respectfully I have a question;

how do Soldiers who are Christains or have strong religious underpinnings cope with the fact that they taken a life especially in for say a conflict that is illegal such as Iraq? do they concede that within their own religious beliefs that they shall be placed in hell when they themselves pass away?

Or do they implement a certain degree of selective religion?
I don't think I've ever actually met a practicing Christian soldier in the British Army - exept perhaps from the Commonwealth.
People will always find a justication within their religion to mitigate the act of killing another. It has been going on since the beginning of time.

Christians in the Crusades (vs. Jews, Muslims & other Christians [Byzantium])
Christians versus other Christians - The Wars of Religion, that emerged from the Reformation (Read "Q" - Luther Blisset a novel based on this period, it will give you an idea of how crazy it was)
Christians vs Pagans
Pagans vs other Pagans
Buddhist vis other Buddhists
Muslims vs Buddhist
Buddhist vs Shintoists
Zoroastrians vs Muslims
Christains vs Jews
Catholics vs Cathars
Sunnis vs Shias
Wahabis vs all other interpretations of Islam
Deobandists vs Sufis
Catholics v Protestant

I could go on all day, but you get the picture. A man's faith a can be moulded to justify the circumstances of his actions. It's a form of self protection.

Oh I forgot the Spanish Inquisition, now known as the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, they were REALLY Christians!
 

the_boy_syrup

LE
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#19
Some of the greatest mass murderers and serial killers in history have claimed God told them to do it

However killing on the battlefield is different
I know one person who jacked because of the shock of looking at a Fig 11 brought it home to him that he may have to kill a person
Likewise Contientious Objectors in both Wars felt they couldn't do it and took the harsh punishment instead

If you are so strongly religious that you would think you are going to hell if you kill then I would imagine that you wouldn't be a soldier in the first place
 
#20
In BAOR in 1985 I was part of a group of Born Again lot who travelled from all over 3 Armoured Div to services - mainly because I fancied a girl who went. Never thought to ask any of the infanteers how they justified killing.
 

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