That SA80.

Does anyone realise how gutting it is when you find out that you can't joing ANY of the armed forces because of something you were born with? I have a lazy right eye and an almost perfect left eye, but because it's my right eye thats bad I can't use the SA80 - i meet the visual standards for the army if my eyes were reversed (just to add insult to injury).

Does anyone know anyone in a similar position? or have any thoughts on the fact that the SA80 can only be used from the right shoulder? I understand there is a lot of forces personnel here, so i believe i'm in the right place to ask this kind of question.

Obvious the world doesn't evolve around me, so i don't expect any exceptions to be made to accomidate my bast*rd vision - but it is bloody annoying, especially when this army is apparently going through a recruitment crisis.

Oh well, god knows what im going to do now. 18 years old, physically fit and keen/determined enough to give it a hell of a shot -but the shutters have been pulled so I guess that's that.

Good luck everyone serving and hopefully when the SA80 is eventually scrapped (all be it could be 10 years) it is in favour of a rifle accommodating left eyed people like me... if it is, i'll be back.

Cheers... rant over.
Lazy left eye, almost perfect right eye.....

I think that your biggest problem would be actually hitting the right target, as opposed to the positioning of the cocking handle on the L85A1/2...
Are you saying you have a lazy left eye and a good right eye? If so it confirms that the only reason im unable to join is the fact that its my right eye.

I've been shooting since a young age with my uncle, starting with an air rifle and a can. With a bit more practice, im fairly confidant i'd be able to hit the right target.
No - I'm not saying that.

Irrespective of the design of the rifle, it would appear that your eyesight would not meet the standard required for joining up. It is unfortunate, but many people find themselves in the same position.
Wasn't some rule about big beefcakes lifted? Stopping people who were extremely strong/fit yet had a high BMI (or something like that)?

Yes.....your sig image prompted me to say this.
Ah right im with you now.

You've actually hit upon another of my unanswered questions - being is it the fact I have a lazy eye, or is it because of the rifle that prevents me joining. The honest and short answer is i don't know. I had the question in my letter to the recruitment office, but it wasn't answered in the reply.

The armys website has the visual standards, in the left eye you need 6/36 vision (my right eye meets that requirement), and in the right if i remember correctly you need 6/9 or better - my left eye meets that. However, is it the fact i have amblyopia (lazy eye) that stops me from joining, rather than just a dodgy right eye? who knows.

People think of a lazy eye meaning one eye is looking in some random direction, which can sometimes be the case. However, with me, my eyes are wired up fine, they both point where I want them to point, and i still have peripheral vision to the right - just not very good vision... so your point is also up for debate.
Manchester_Rogue said:
Not even some sort of mechanic in the REME? Last time I checked you don't need a perfect anything to be a balding, 20+ stone reccy mech.....
WOT? all the Rech Mechs I know are all round perfect idividuals, no, really..........
Manchester_Rogue said:
Not even some sort of mechanic in the REME? Last time I checked you don't need a perfect anything to be a balding, 20+ stone reccy mech.....
Just a perfect example of courage, like the Reccy mech Cpl with SCOTS DG on TELIC 1 who spent eight hours under constant fire in the open, recovering a CR2. A VM Cpl was providing covering fire on the CRARRV GPMG, exposed to enemy fire from the waste up for the same time. Take the p*ss out of them, why don't you? Pillock.
TheManWho..................... gets a pint off me next time I see him.......................
Manchester_Rogue said:
Braveheart, is it something that can be corrected via surgery?

Im told no. The problem with amblyopia is not the eye itself, but the 'wires' in which the eye and brain are linked, which is apparently beyond any laser capabilities at the minute... i will check it out for def tho
have a sex change or say you are gay, that should get you into the army these days
I'm British not Australian. If I can't serve my country, I wont serve any. However, I am a member of the Tartan Army (they dont have eyesight requirements) so its not all bad :p...

kick in the teeth with euro 2006 draw but not to worry, we'll give it a shot!
I believe the Aussies use AUSteyr. I believe it can be set for left-handed firers.

Braveheart, remember the Aussies share our Queen, so it's not that bad - it is also very sunny down there :)
If it's just a problem with one eye being dominant, then you can wear a patch and get the weaker eye to become stronger.

Another option would be to shoot with both eyes open (some people swear by this).

Have you actually gone to have an examination or are you just going by the standards on the website?

Manchester Rogue: You really are a throbber. This isn't the Naafi. I thought you might have learned after yesterday in current affairs. :roll:
I've sent a letter with an opticians report attatched to the careers office of the Army, Navy and RAF and all have KB'd me.

When I was young, my uncle taught me to shoot. At this stage neither he nor I knew I had a lazy eye (it wasnt picked up till fairly late). He naturally taught me to shoot right handed, but was baffled when i kept leaning my head right over the stock to look down the scope with my left eye (its obvious now why i did it, but at the time I though nothing of it). After i was diagnosed with amblyopia, I went to his brothers gun club in Aberdeen. He understood and had me shooting clays from my left shoulder no problem, but again I thought nothing of it.

There are certainly ways round my problem, however as im sure you'll all agree, this country can be a bit backwards at times. To the medical examiner at the recruitment office, I am another person who doesn't meet the standards - thats it. I guess thats fair enough.

I have to admit the best responce I got was from the RAF. I got a personal hand written letter back from the head medical examiner for new recruits to the RAF (probably just the glasgow/west of scotland office(s) though) explaining that I didnt meed the requirements and that on operations I would be deemed at a disadvantage which i suppose is fair enough.

Still a kick in the teeth though and judging by the number of people who are raising questions about it, its a topic of some interest - mostly a 'wtf' interest. Hell i can't even join the Police! wtf am I gonna do? if every anyone hears of me working in an office, you have my personal permission to come and drag me out.

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