Thai protesters mass at airports - is this the way ahead?

#1
Whilst I understand that 1000's of innocent tourists are caught in the political crossfire in Thailand, the manner in which the protest is being handled seems to me as near perfect as possible. No beatings, no burning cars, no riots - just quiet and slow pressure on the Thai government to make its mind up.
If we wish to change our corrupt and inept current leadership, produce a representative government for England with a full cleanup of the whole dirty mess that is Westminster, then maybe we should follow the Thai program and assemble at Heathrow, Manchester and Birmingham. Date and times?
 
#2
Luckily I got out before they took over the airports, otherwise I'd still be there. Interesting situation certainly - the monarchy are laying flowers on the graves of the anti-government protesters!
 
#3
why on earth would we want to oust our current democratic, competent, fair, professional, inspiring, not at all in any way corrupt government? *sarcasm*

Still though might be a laugh if DC gets into power. bicycles all round?
 
#4
Democratic action is all very well when used for a suitable purpose. But, just think, I would imagine that the BNP - for example - could muster just such a crowd to bring about some of their ideas. Who is to decide when the response should be giving in and when it needs wooden poultice?
Solution for the current airport problem is charter half a dozen East Jet planes to fly out empty except for a dozen or so of THEM on each. They would 'encourage' the demonstrators to let our people go. Does not need to be violent - occupiers choice.
 
#5
Why should we charter any planes (as in we the taxpayer), these people are on holiday, ie there by choice, **** 'em if you go on holiday to other countries where things are different, why the **** should you expect HMG to bail you out when it goes pear shaped?
 
#6
Blodders - I lived in a world where our passports had a message to foreigners that they would get aggro if they caused any problems to the person carrying that document. Words to that effect. What the person is doing in Thailand is immaterial. What is wrong is that it is being done to the detriment of our people.
 
#7
OldRedCap said:
Blodders - I lived in a world where our passports had a message to foreigners that they would get aggro if they caused any problems to the person carrying that document. Words to that effect. What the person is doing in Thailand is immaterial. What is wrong is that it is being done to the detriment of our people.
So, not 'When in Rome', then? :D

Sorry, but by that logic we could have been swamped with foreign military types over the whole airport security fiasco. Sauce for the goose, and all that.
 
#8
Smart as carrots
I give not a toss what other countries do about their nationals. I do not accept that we should allow our people to be buggered about by foreigners. We are running short of gun boats hence my suggesting we use EasyJet + passengers as suggested by me. My solution follows on the history of a smart piece of work by IDF in Big Idi's country at a place called Entebbe.
In general, we have dealt in a positive way when terrorists/freedom fighters have brought their hi-jacks into our air space.
 
#9
Hardly a terrorist scenario though, is it? More like putting pressure on the government through constricting the biggest source of national income. I'd say that was a pretty legitimate act of political protest, regardless of whether Brits are involved or not. How much restriction would you like to see put on our right to protest in central London simply because it might stop some foreign Johnnies catching their flight home? Ban the Countryside Alliance from demonstrating outside Parliament because it might delay some tourists?

Personally, as one who travels a fair bit I don't expect the locals to knuckle under to whatever life throws at them simply because I don't want my travel plans disrupted. If I go abroad I expect that things might not go quite as they do at home. That's all part of the 'charm' of travel, IMO.
 
#10
I was in HK at the time of Chinese upheaval over Mao and his Red Book. We had a Queens Messenger who was a regular guest on his trips through HK en-route China. Although very much typical old Army officer in dress, bearing and stubby white moustache he was never once subjected to the wholesale aggro then normal in China. That is how I expect our people to be treated. Yes - I am very old fashioned but surely that does not make everything I say to be rubbish. Does it?
 
#11
Softcentre said:
Whilst I understand that 1000's of innocent tourists are caught in the political crossfire in Thailand, the manner in which the protest is being handled seems to me as near perfect as possible. No beatings, no burning cars, no riots - just quiet and slow pressure on the Thai government to make its mind up.
If we wish to change our corrupt and inept current leadership, produce a representative government for England with a full cleanup of the whole dirty mess that is Westminster, then maybe we should follow the Thai program and assemble at Heathrow, Manchester and Birmingham. Date and times?
People have been killed in these protests.If not resolved,it could get much worse.

Mind you I hope the anti-third runway campaigners at Heathrow are taking notes,and in the event of ZANU-New Liarbore pushing ahead with a third runway destroying a village north of Heathrow they do the same there.
 
#12
Blodders said:
Why should we charter any planes (as in we the taxpayer), these people are on holiday, ie there by choice, * 'em if you go on holiday to other countries where things are different, why the * should you expect HMG to bail you out when it goes pear shaped?
The Brit govt answer to any Brits here(Thailand) is fcuk off.However if this sh*t was happening in Saudi Arabia at this time,where tens of thousands of"British"Muslims are right now on the Hadj,you can bet your bottom dollar that every RAF C-17 and Tristar will be pulled off Afghan and Iraqi supply flights to bring them back to Britain,with the DSS being on hand so they can make claims upon their return.

The Spanish Air Force were in evidence here today with 2 jets(a Boeing 707 and a A310) to repatriate their citizens.
 
#13
OldRedCap said:
I was in HK at the time of Chinese upheaval over Mao and his Red Book. We had a Queens Messenger who was a regular guest on his trips through HK en-route China. Although very much typical old Army officer in dress, bearing and stubby white moustache he was never once subjected to the wholesale aggro then normal in China. That is how I expect our people to be treated. Yes - I am very old fashioned but surely that does not make everything I say to be rubbish. Does it?
In what way does the current standoff in Thailand constitute 'aggro'? Interfering with a diplomat or envoys would be a totally different matter and I'd be right alongside you if that were the case. Blockading an airport in an act of peaceful protest doesn't really count as 'aggro' IMO. It's just a mild embuggerance for some tourists who didn't need to be there and don't have to go back.
 
#14
Le_addeur_noir said:
Blodders said:
Why should we charter any planes (as in we the taxpayer), these people are on holiday, ie there by choice, * 'em if you go on holiday to other countries where things are different, why the * should you expect HMG to bail you out when it goes pear shaped?
The Brit govt answer to any Brits here(Thailand) is fcuk off.However if this sh*t was happening in Saudi Arabia at this time,where tens of thousands of"British"Muslims are right now on the Hadj,you can bet your bottom dollar that every RAF C-17 and Tristar will be pulled off Afghan and Iraqi supply flights to bring them back to Britain,with the DSS being on hand so they can make claims upon their return.

The Spanish Air Force were in evidence here today with 2 jets(a Boeing 707 and a A310) to repatriate their citizens.
If the spanish feel that is a good use of their taxes, that's up to them, I dont feel it would be a good use of my taxes.

As to your other rant, on what basis are you saying it, is it happening in Saudi? Do you have any evidence that events would pan out as you say in the event of it happenning there? It's basically an inflammatory yet meaningless rant.
 
#15
If other countries are getting their citizens home, then so should we.

To suggest that, because these Brits were their of their own volition, they should just rough it seems bizarre to me, and I can only think it can be motivated by petty jealousy at the fact these people have gone somewhere supposedly 'exotic'.

Given that, I imagine, the majority of Britons travel overseas at some stage in their life, is this a principle that should be upheld anywhere beyond Dover? Or should it only apply to places where you don't go on holiday?
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
#16
I always laugh when the posh tourist stuck in a 5 star hotel whines on about how the protestors are ruining their holiday. Go to skeggy then and put up with crap weather, at least its their country that they are dealing with and not invading some other feckers!
I always woinder why our money is supposed to pay to get them home, didnt they buy insurance? This clown of a Govt cant run this country and certainly shouldnt be sticking its noses into yet another one. Dont go to places inhabited by nutters and loons and expect me to pay for you to be brought out of the beaches by our boys!
 
#17
I suspect that 2 things have motivated the government, one those on holiday there are less likely to be NuLabor voters so not worth investing scarce resources in, and secondly the airlines wanted to get their plane out of Bangkok airport and shipping the punters home on trooping flights that already cant cope with the armies needs would have taken the pressure of getting the planes released.

The reality is any other resources the UK has are already overstretched and would have cost cash Darling only wants to spend on potential NuLabor voters.
 
#18
ugly said:
I always laugh when the posh tourist stuck in a 5 star hotel whines on about how the protestors are ruining their holiday. Go to skeggy then and put up with crap weather, at least its their country that they are dealing with and not invading some other feckers!
I always woinder why our money is supposed to pay to get them home, didnt they buy insurance? This clown of a Govt cant run this country and certainly shouldnt be sticking its noses into yet another one. Dont go to places inhabited by nutters and loons and expect me to pay for you to be brought out of the beaches by our boys!
That is a bit harsh considering how peaceful and organised the protest has been so far. Otherwise I tend to agree with you. I did see a Brit woman claim the protesters where being selfish in spoiling people's holidays. Well bugger me, how much of an insular, self-obsessed attitude is that? Fancy inconveniencing tourists just because you disagree with the way your country is run.
 

ugly

LE
Moderator
#19
They are behaving like its beirut or Kabul FFS, let them stew a little!
 
#20
Softcentre said:
maybe we should follow the Thai program and assemble at Heathrow, Manchester and Birmingham. Date and times?
Let's think of the consequences:-

- Many flights cancelled
- Airports packed to the rafters with people going nowhere
- Travellers sleeping on the floor for days at a time
- Police overwhelmed
- The odd outbreak of aggro leading to serious injury

Pretty much an average day at Heathrow. How could this have any influence on gov.uk? :wink:
 

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