Tfc (IS) Resignations

#1
Is there any truth in the rumour that three of the current serving Tfc (IS) have resigned?

Do they know something that we dont? Is it a case of sinking ships and rats.

Perhaps, give the single trade structure of IS Engr and Tech which will be introduced next year, they decided to jump rather than be pushed? And if so is there a future for the Supvr (IS) and those IS Engrs who hope to be one?
 
#2
well_i_never

Interesting first post.

Got something to tell us?
 
#3
Guru,

Something I heard during the usual celebrations/commiserations as a result of the Staffy/WO2 board on Friday.

Wondered if anyone else had heard and what impact it could have on the roster
 
#4
well_i_never said:
Perhaps, give the single trade structure of IS Engr and Tech which will be introduced next year, they decided to jump rather than be pushed? And if so is there a future for the Supvr (IS) and those IS Engrs who hope to be one?
Considering there are only 9 x Tfc (IS) in the Corps, three is a significant proportion. Perhaps it was a natural LE pension point - if LE offrs leave too soon they only get a WO's pension. I hope they all do well on the outside (and save a job for me :wink: ). Perhaps the paucity of jobs conveys a 'nowhere to go' ethos, thus stifling ambition.

I think a 'jump rather than be pushed' analogy is unrealistic, though. If anyone was to suggest that the Corps make these people at the top of their roster redundant then it would be insane. Have you noticed that Joint Netcen and JFCIS on both Telic and Herrick have SO3 IS requirements - these are often filled by WOs (or DE Offrs who know nothing). It shows that there is a real operational requirement - therefore a need in peacetime and a method of growing that experience. For example, who would be the top-level IS advisors when DII/F smacks us in the face and the Corps is required to provide the regional Atlas Paramilitary Wings (AKA the MSPs)? The TOT? The Atlas Consortium? I think not.

Is there a future? Who can tell, however there are interesting times ahead, that's for sure.
 
#5
People come and go all the time - Im sure if it was considered a major operational problem due to the lack of capability within the Corps there would have been a round of additional commissions last year with COs encouraged to forward more candidates. Word on the street though is this is the case now so someone it seems is twitching slightly about it. Will need to wait 2 years yet before my first shout - by then lets hope we are not oversubscribed.
 
#6
Superdood said:
People come and go all the time - Im sure if it was considered a major operational problem due to the lack of capability within the Corps there would have been a round of additional commissions last year with COs encouraged to forward more candidates. Word on the street though is this is the case now so someone it seems is twitching slightly about it. Will need to wait 2 years yet before my first shout - by then lets hope we are not oversubscribed.
Ha Ha. You got an O2 thief tag. Ha Ha.
 
#7
the_guru said:
Ha Ha. You got an O2 thief tag. Ha Ha.
No thanks to you - you big timing, lowlife bully boy grass - emphasis on grass because he cant handle the flak I dished out to him - had to get his Moderator mates in to fight his battles after he felt threatened - there there son - dont forget to take your milk before bedtime.
 
#8
Superdood said:
the_guru said:
Ha Ha. You got an O2 thief tag. Ha Ha.
No thanks to you - you big timing, lowlife bully boy grass - emphasis on grass because he cant handle the flak I dished out to him - had to get his Moderator mates in to fight his battles after he felt threatened - there there son - dont forget to take your milk before bedtime.
hahah, whatever, O2 Thief! Took their time getting it up.
 
#9
Superdood said:
the_guru said:
Ha Ha. You got an O2 thief tag. Ha Ha.
No thanks to you - you big timing, lowlife bully boy grass - emphasis on grass because he cant handle the flak I dished out to him - had to get his Moderator mates in to fight his battles after he felt threatened - there there son - dont forget to take your milk before bedtime.
Ha Ha. I don't know any of the mods. You are just a tool.

Medic.....need oxygen.......can't....breathe.......someone stealing......atmosphere hoover......
 
#11
Superdood said:
People come and go all the time - Im sure if it was considered a major operational problem due to the lack of capability within the Corps there would have been a round of additional commissions last year with COs encouraged to forward more candidates. Word on the street though is this is the case now so someone it seems is twitching slightly about it. Will need to wait 2 years yet before my first shout - by then lets hope we are not oversubscribed.
You still have to come above the quality line, so logically, it makes no difference what year you apply. All it will mean is that you wouldn't be selected as a reserve because the requirement is immediate.
 
#12
CardinalSin said:
You still have to come above the quality line, so logically, it makes no difference what year you apply. All it will mean is that you wouldn't be selected as a reserve because the requirement is immediate.
Bottom line is if the odds go up that has to be a good thing for everyone concerned !!. Am I right in stating that the Corps has to bid/compete with all the other Arms to the Army Board for additional slots each year ?
 
#13
PoisonDwarf said:
For example, who would be the top-level IS advisors when DII/F smacks us in the face and the Corps is required to provide the regional Atlas Paramilitary Wings (AKA the MSPs)? The TOT? The Atlas Consortium?.
PD, I suggest it could be the latter, aided by three new Tfc (IS) 'recruits'.
 

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#14
WincoSlayer said:
PoisonDwarf said:
For example, who would be the top-level IS advisors when DII/F smacks us in the face and the Corps is required to provide the regional Atlas Paramilitary Wings (AKA the MSPs)? The TOT? The Atlas Consortium?.
PD, I suggest it could be the latter, aided by three new Tfc (IS) 'recruits'.
Given that the last two SO3 IS at NETCEN in HERRICK have been RAF and the previous Army incumbent was an ex-Gunner that sort of tends to blow away one theory as to how Tfc(IS) could be gainfully employed. At least if it was a proper Tfc(IS) they'd have some credibility. I have to agree with PD, it shouldn't be a DE Officer - they need to be spoon fed too much, too often and get quite strange ideas about what they 'know'. Bless.

As for supporting DII/F and FD, that'll be an interesting bunfight - and I'm not convinced anyone service, Corps or Regt has a clear way ahead. A joint unit would be a better way to support a joint system - what a novel concept, it'll clearly never catch on.

RSigs IS Engrs are good and getting better, but the new trade developments haven't been universally well received and there does seem to be a lot of people leaving.
 
#15
A2_Matelot said:
Given that the last two SO3 IS at NETCEN in HERRICK have been RAF and the previous Army incumbent was an ex-Gunner that sort of tends to blow away one theory as to how Tfc(IS) could be gainfully employed. At least if it was a proper Tfc(IS) they'd have some credibility.
I deployed on the first Ex Joint Venture about 3 or 4 years ago and I have seen the powers-that-be make plenty of tweaks since then. There wasn't really an overall IS bod there to start with, just was a "Cormorant IS" desk and a "Non-Cormorant IS" desk. That was because the first Netcen was basically 2 Sigs Regt Ops and it was the first Cormorant exercise - The "Non-Cormorant IS" was basically left to the PJHQ JOCS team. The SO3 on that desk was a DE Offr but, fortunately, he knew his stuff. Since then, every time 11 Sig Bde deployed a Netcen, it has actually been run by a proper IS SME (one of the Supvr IS WOs), although I did see a couple of DE offrs drafted in for the final weeks of Nordic Shield (basically to answer phones cos they were no use for anything else). I totally agree that it's clearly a Supvr (IS) or Tfc (IS) role. Even if the DE bloke has a degree in some ICS technology, he or she simply hasn't got the breadth of experience to do that job at Net Ops level.

I think that's a slightly unfair comment about the former gunner. Remember that the bloke in question has been involved as a technical practitioner for quite a few years (prior to joining the corps) and has at least as much subject matter knowledge than many of his peers in the roster. I trust his judgement.
 

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#16
Wrt your last sentences, I'm loathe to express my actual feelings here lets just say there was a culture of "anything to make the mighty 16 look good and pass blame elsewhere".

16 were far too used to running their own trainset in ARRC and that is their major failing, 7SR don't seem to have that or the same attitude.

Curious, is he one of the Tfc(IS) who has resigned, word in the bar is he is - shame as he did stick up for the (his) boys, in that respect he was decent.
 
#17
There has been a considerable restriction in the opportunities for LE promotions over the last year and they may have seen the writing on the wall. Of course, they may have hit a natural break point and not liked the jobs on offer - and industry cannot get enough skilled staff at the moment. The NHS IT project, anyone? And T5 is heading for completion. Or the Olympics? All major projects with a lot of IT.

Look on the bright side - everyone shuffles up three places....

Litotes
 

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#18
Interesting you mention the NHS project. An oppo of mine left some 7 years ago and by a tortous route ended up as a project manager. Now self-employed, he makes well in excess of a £100K in the NW as the lead NHS PM. Mind you he puts in the hours and is under a mountain of pressure but gets rewarded for it.

The funniest thing was after his first NHS Trust board Presentation the only thing the CE was interested in was how did he polish his shoes so well....we do some things so much better than civvies, never considered the bull on my boots to be that important.
 
#19
I am surprised that people are questioning the TOT's ability to carry out the Job of a tfc IS, if I am reading the threads correctly? Bearing in mind the FofS/TOT did all that work, as well as his own, quite capably before someone invented a new trade for those who weren't quite making the grade in their own! granted that is not the case for all but certainly true for many.
Are you really suggesting that someone who did a 9 week course is far more qualified than a TOT with at least 18 years of technical experience and a technical degree under his belt? Pleeeease!

If that is not what you are implying then apologies but it certainly reads that way
 
#20
The TOT may have done that in the past, but times are changing, and there a re a lot more IP related systems out there now than there has every been. A TOT cannot take all this on, not because of the person, but simply because it is far too much. If you disagree then why doesn't he take on Tfc as well. In fact let him run the unit at the same time.

They would not have created a new trade if they were coping, so there is the obvious fact that NO, the TOT can not cope with it all. He has enough to do with his own job to be doing an expanding other job as well.
 
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