Terrosits release video footage of Blackwatch suicide bomb

#1
Just heard that those bastards only went and filmed the explosion and have relased it on a sympathetic Islamic website. :twisted:

I saw it on sky news and have no idea how anyone nearby could have survived. It was a bloody huge explosion.

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13247205,00.html

These people really are clever in thier use of the media. As if it wasnt bad enought to know that 4 guys were killed and 8 seriiously injured, they go and show us it!! Someone must be giving them lessons on media manipulation.

this is just not right

agent smith
 
#2
The video also showed the aftermath of the explosion in detail. That part I'm glad Sky didn't run.
 
#3
The Iraqi stepping on the severed forearm really was disgusting.
I saw the recently released terrorist executions of Iraqi soldiers and beheading of an Iraqi officer and the one thing that I get out of it is that the tangos are very very bad folks that have to be killed, every last one of them.
 
#4
I watched the whole thing to the end. The last bit enraged me. Not content with bombing the Black Watch, they then have to kick body parts around. Savages, fcuking savages.
 
#5
Agent_Smith said:
I saw it on sky news and have no idea how anyone nearby could have survived. It was a bloody huge explosion.
Sky should hang their heads in shame. This does not equate to showing the death of unknown combatants: the three dead are known by name. How do Sky think the families feel - "and right at this moment - BAAAAM - your husband/son/brother gets blown to bits".

Disgrace.
 
#6
HGVTOO said:
I watched the whole thing to the end. The last bit enraged me. Not content with bombing the Black Watch, they then have to kick body parts around. Savages, fcuking savages.
Bravo_Bravo said:
Sky should hang their heads in shame. This does not equate to showing the death of unknown combatants: the three dead are known by name. How do Sky think the families feel - "and right at this moment - BAAAAM - your husband/son/brother gets blown to bits".

Disgrace.
Sick fcukers, the terrorists just more so than the broadcasters.
 
#7
‘War is hell’, but we don't have to view it again and again to be convinced.
To those who did watch it, thank you for witnessing what I have neither the heart nor stomach to watch.
Your condemnation counts louder than all.
To sky, yet another media agency that has saw fit to broadcast moral destroying images and information I hope this haunts your decision makers as it will the families of those who died to the grave and beyond.
Stand up and explain the justification, if you can!
Shame on you.

Beebs :oops:
 
#8
HGVTOO said:
I watched the whole thing to the end. The last bit enraged me. Not content with bombing the Black Watch, they then have to kick body parts around. Savages, fcuking savages.
They have a well planned and executed information warfare plan. This sort of stuff achieves effects they desire:

1. We get very angry and hopefully overreact - this recruits for them
2. Western civilians in Iraq get encouraged to leave
3. The locals get scared of the insurgents and don't oppose them
OR
4. The locals think "serves you right for killing my (insert relative here)"
5. Militant jihadis outside Iraq think "Hey, I'll go and show the Great Satan what for with that mob"
6. Muslims outside Iraq, accustomed as they are to a steady flow of images of maimed Iraqi civilians, think "serves them right"

It's not right and it's not fair. And we continually fail to realise that we are losing the information war outside the USA.
 
#9
Or in a reaction to casualties on the home front the tangos step up attack upon UK forces to accomplish their #1 goal which is to force coalition forces from Iraq. The more outrage at home the more attacks on UK forces.
 
#10
Yes, the terrorists are very good at media manipulation.

The avarage terrorist has a good education and many have a degree.

Some have been trained by the CIA and perhaps other security/intel. agencies and know darn well what they are doing and how to do it!

Why do you think, that they know how to wage guerilla war? Who taught them? Wonder why our... aliies are having so many fatalities....
 
#11
Guerrilla war is not rocket science requiring training at a staff collge. Its been around since the beginning of war. Its used by a weaker opponent against a stronger. Most of the terrorists are fanatics. The CIA didnt train them. When you go to war or are on a peacekeeping op casualties can occur. We have more people killed on US highways [+42,000 a year] than in combat. We all have all volunteer forces. Everyone is a volunteer. If they didnt want to take the risk they would get into another line of work.
 
#12
unfortunately sky news is the UK equivalent of fox news

no shame at all
 
#13
Oh, but I beg to differ!

It is proven that the CIA had several training groups in the middle east during the 60s, 70s and 80s training irregular troops.

Now, those who were trained then have in turn trained further "volunteers".

There is no denying an open secret!

Just think of the "army school of the americas"!
 
#14
When you make wild claims bee back them up. The CIA did assist the Afghan's in their fight against the Russians. The guys we are killing and capturing in Iraq are young guys not someone from the 60's,70's and 80's.
 
#15
Who trained and equipt Bin Laden when he was fighting the Russians in Afghanistan then? The very same people that in the 70's and 80's supported Saddam, tried and failed to prop up the Iranian Sha during the 70's and who has stomped all over the rest of the middle east supporting Isreal in its ileagal land grabs on the West Bank and Gaza and has tried to control the middle east since oil was discovered.

What goes around?
 
#16
In defence of Sky news, they only showed the explosion (from a long distance) and the helicopters medevacing the injured.

They had the sense and decensy (sp??) not to show the rest of it (which i have not seen and am not sure if i really want to)

As if it want bad enough to blow these guys up, they go and desecrate the dead by kicking bodyparts around!! Makes me sick to the bottom of my stomach.

agent smith
 

Mr Happy

LE
Moderator
#17
I just watched the video.

For those that won't or can't find it:

A longshot of the explosion (think handycam from a mile away). The explosion was massive. The flame etc. appeared to be 100yds across. It's very hard to tell it is even Brits.

US medivac helo

Somebodies forearm being lightly kicked and then stood on.

To put things in context:

It was a terrible event. The forearm could have been the bombers. The local (lightly) kicking it didn't seem too keen, he was clearly being prompted by the cameraman. I've seen far far worse.

Media of successful kills these days has to be expected - for years we've seen footage of the bad guys getting it, the only new thing here is that we're on the receiving end.
 
#19
Oh dear. More 'the CIA funded Bin Laden, the jihadists, the current Iraqi-based insurgents etc.' talk. I don't know whether to be bored or alarmed by this sort of thinking. When Michael Moore pedals this kind of guff - as in 'Bowling for Columbine' - I can ignore it, but when I hear it being bandied-about as gospel truth I become alarmed. This sort of thinking has been gaining ground since the dust settled on the Twin Towers. It is part of a dangerous and insidious campaign to place the blame for the terrorist attacks on 9/11, and all that have followed since, solely at the door of Western - specifically American - policy. Even Bin Laden has shown that he is aware of this Western capacity for self-flagellation in his recent video. Anyone who has actually studied the history of Islamic radicalism/terrorism will know that the 'CIA trained them' one-size-fits-all answer is inadequate, and that it also ignores the domestic origins of Islamist militancy. The CIA certainly saw to it that the Afghan Mujahideen were supplied with Stinger AA missiles, but the training of the various anti-Soviet and other militant groups was the responsibility of the Pakistani ISI. The ISI would not have accepted any on-the-ground presence of the CIA, which did not have the capability to train the various mujahideen groups within Afghanistan. Funding for these groups primarily came from Saudi Arabia and wealthy donors in the Persian Gulf (Bin Laden initially made his name through his ability to fund ‘militancy’). Even if one allows for the fact that the West previously backed what we would today term Islamist militants, this has to be looked at in the context of the then greater struggle against the Soviet Union. The school of thought that automatically blames the West for the current Islamist militants also adheres to the view put forward in the recent BBC series ‘The Power of Nightmares’ that the Soviet threat was largely a phantom dreamt up by neocons to fuel their own agenda. Therefore, the current war is neatly sown up i.e. it is the fault of the West; and the threat is largely imaginary. This conspirazoid thinking masquerading as serious geo-political analysis is dangerous because it is quite credible, if you happen to have a hazy idea of world events. It is comforting and fits in with the current trend in the West to believe nothing at all.

The fundamental point that does seem to have eluded people about terrorism is that it is childishly simple. Forget conspirazoid thinking about secret training camps. One scruffy-arsed insurgent in Fallujah can kill several highly-trained U.S. Marines, or he can bring down a multi-million dollar helicopter with a $50 Kalashnikov…..or three airliners with plastic box cutters. In the sort of FIBUA we are now seeing in Fallujah, the advantage lies with the defending ‘force’. The numbers of insurgents in Fallujah is something of a moot point. The fewer they are in number and the more lightly-armed they are (though they seem to have no shortage of mortars and RPGs) the better able they are to move easily and fast, thereby keeping several steps ahead of the attacking force. Having looked at the maps of the city posted elsewhere on this site, I am sceptical about there being a ring of armoured steel around Fallujah. Right now, I imagine that insurgents are exfiltrating ahead of the USMC and Iraqi forces, leaving behind small fighting groups to stall any advance into the city. I believe that Fallujah will fall, but I also believe, in common with others here, that there will be other Fallujahs. This conflict has essentially become a high-level counter-insurgency campaign, in which the ‘insurgents’ generally speaking set the agenda and the pace.
 

Mr Happy

LE
Moderator
#20
Most sad to read that post, not because it's wrong but because of your comments about this ring of steel. I was going to post a "how will the US fck Fallujha up" thread in the current affairs so I'll just nip off and do that now. No.1 was going to be letting them all escape.
 

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