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Terror comes in diffenrent flavous...Far right group in germany

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The Brown Army Faction: A Disturbing New Dimension of Far-Right Terror - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

A bunch of right wing nutters killed about 10 people in as many years without beeing discovered.
Investigation goes on as they want to find out how big their network actually was.
Interesting, this bit caught my eye.
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Until now, only two forms of political terrorism have existed, whether it was committed by people on the left or the right or by Islamists. One involved the "propaganda of the deed," as the 19th-century French anarchist Paul Brousse dubbed his concept, which was later perfected by Russian and Italian anarchists. According to Brousse, deeds were meant to speak for themselves and be self-explanatory for the masses. Words merely deprived deeds of their power.

The second approach merely requires the deed as a template for the declarations, manifestos and claims of responsibility that follow. For each of its attacks, Germany's Red Army Faction wrote a long letter in which it explained why a particular high-ranking political or business figure supposedly deserved to die. Al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden regularly explained himself in video messages and called for attacks on the West.

Survival Guarantee

For Böhnhardt, Mundlos and probably Zschäpe, their alleged actions, which lasted over a decade, followed neither approach. They certainly must have been pleased to read all the speculation over who could be responsible for the doner murders, the police killing in Heilbronn and the many bank robberies. But none of them ever left any indication that there could be a political motivation for their crimes, and right-wing extremists were also kept out of the loop. As a result, there could be no copycats, no public supporters, as in the case of the RAF, and no way of gauging the public reaction to the attacks. The trio had to be content with the knowledge of what they had done.

From a crime-fighting perspective, it was a recipe that ensured survival for 13 years. Silence was a sort of survival guarantee, even if it came at the cost of no one understanding the racist motivations for their alleged deeds. Only in the last few months did the neo-Nazis apparently feel strong enough to take the next step and reveal the reasons behind their deeds. Perhaps the trio had indeed gathered a group of supporters and was planning to launch a new deadly offensive.


But what kept them going over the years? Was it pure hatred, aimed at foreigners and the government alike? Fascist fantasies of omnipotence? The items that investigators are gradually recovering from the debris in Zwickau provide at least a few clues. Why, for example, did Mundlos, Böhnhardt and Zschäpe want to keep Kiesewetter's pepper spray, weapon and handcuffs? For neo-Nazis with a 9mm Luger automatic pistol in their closet, four-year-old pepper spray couldn't have been very useful.

Mundlos and Böhnhardt could also have put Kiesewetter's weapon in a plastic bag and dropped it into a lake, and no one would have been able to solve the murder. They could have done the same thing with the Ceska that was used for the doner killings. These items only acquire significance as trophies.

The DVDs also fit into this pattern. It seems as if, in the end, Böhnhardt and Mundlos did want to leave behind a document detailing their exploits.
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My bold, I'd not so much compare this to the RAF, the thing that comes to mind is the James Younger gang. A group of racist bandits who cast their predations as a continuance of the cause of Dixie. The other thing that strikes me is killing kebab stall owners might have quite a lot to do with getting a free felafel and it being a cash business. Finally only Boxheads would regard bicycles and a camper van as suitable bank robbery getaway vehicles, it's really not very Heat is it?
 
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From Sunday's Zaman German woman involved in Turks' murder arrested
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German media reported on Sunday that Zschäpe has worked as informant for the German homeland security, which is called Bundesamt für Verfassungsschutz (BfV) or Federal Office for the Protection of Constitution. The BfV denied that claim on Monday. In the 1990's Zschäpe and the two men had attracted the police's attention because of their contacts to an East German far-right organization. They had been observed by the BfV, but in 1998 they went into hiding after guns and explosives had been found by the police. The BfV lost track of them. A BfV's spokesperson on Monday said that his institution will analyze whether it is necessary to change its approach and the organizational structure in the fight against far-right terrorists. On Tuesday representatives of German security institutions have to answer questions in the German Federal Parliament. Some politicians fear that the BfV has concentrated too much on the fight against Islamic terrorists and hence has neglected dangerous neo-Nazi movements.
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My bold, shades of Brevik.
 
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As a Father, it was very disturbing to hear my daughter aged 8, was victimised by her teachers in Minden, because she was half British. What a fun time that must have been for her grrrrr. She was moved and placed in a safer school. Coupled with the (east German) Nazist youths at my Porta Westphalica workplace back in 1996; it was all pretty obvious then that good old Deutschland hadn't quite changed all of its ways.

Recent news from Schaumburg suggests the Germans still have a lot of work to do. I can't throw stones, considering the EDL, BNP and our other radical nutters.
 
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In Der Spiegel Neo-Nazi Terror Cell Still Shrouded in Mystery
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Terrorists Were on Police Files

According to information obtained by SPIEGEL, Böhnhardt, Mundlos and Zschäpe were known to the agency's Thuringia department in the 1990s, when they became involved with the neo-Nazi scene there. They built fake bombs and hoarded weapons and explosives, but authorities lost sight of them in January 1998, when they went underground and embarked on a 13-year spree of murder, bombings and a suspected total of 14 bank robberies.

The case has also called into question the agency's practice of running paid informants in the neo-Nazi scene and in the far-right National Democratic Party (NPD). Critics are saying the system evidently isn't working, and that it may even be unintentionally funding the activities of the far right.

For example, the Thuringia agency paid a total of 200,000 marks (€102,258) to a man named only as Tino B. The man is the head of Thuringia Homeland Protection, a neo-Nazi group that the three terrorists belonged to in the 1990s. He doesn't appear to have warned the authorities about his three dangerous comrades.


The presence of paid informants is controversial for another reason -- it thwarted a legal bid to outlaw the NPD in 2003 when the Constitutional Court ruled that the presence of agency informants, some in senior positions within the party, would prejudice the case.

Chancellor Angela Merkel called on Monday for a review into whether the NPD should be banned. The party is seen as a flagship of the neo-Nazi scene in Germany. But to have any chance of succes, a legal bid to outlaw the NPD would require severing ties with informants, effectively sacrificing the authorities' ability to monitor the inner workings of the party.

Interior Minister Hans-Peter Friedrich has called for better coordination between the regional and national security authorities.
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My bold, some things never change, the last century's most famous Austrian started out his political career as a police tout.
 
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Reading around the phrase "Deep State" is being used in relation to this case. Turks tend to be very suspicious about their security services pulling the strings of extremists and have good reason historically, getting a little suspicious that the same could be happening in Germany is understandable, it's not unknown in modern europe.

The manner of the bandits suicide is a bit odd, rifle shot to the chest in a burnt out camper van loaded with evidence. My tin foil hats will be twitching in the kebab shops.
 
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National Socialism in the eastern states of Germany is rife. They have a long game of influencing the youth with NS biased teachers and youth club workers. It's far more than a few psychopaths.
I know a German major whose main task is to rout out Nazis from the Bundeswehr. Plenty of new swastika tattoos that need wire brushing apparently.

Growing-Up Neo-Nazi: Family Life Among Germany's Far-Right Extremists - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International
The spirit of Nazism seems to have been preserved almost intact in many elements of the GDR - the military nature of the regime probably promoted the nationalism part. Like Russia, GDR citizens seem to welcome 3rd World students, etc, but in reality, despised them (look how quickly Moscow's Lumumba University closed after 1989/1990 because of the violence towards the students). After The Wall came down, the disaffected youth of the former GDR looked in horror at what they saw in the rest of Germany, especially where foreigners were taking jobs they believed they should have had.

In 2002 on a local train in Berlin I saw a dark girl (obviously a student) being verbally assaulted by a German lad - he simply sat down right opposite her and ranted on and on about how unwelcome she was in Germany, etc, etc. His rant ended when we reached the next stop and two burly Germans took hold of him and bodily threw him off the train. The attitude of the ranter, sadly, is nowhere near unique - it is in fact very widespread, and it almost all certainly started in the old GDR.
 
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I visited East Berlin with a mate in November 1984 and started talking to a black guy in a pub who´d been brought over from Angola in the ´70´s when they went commie to study and work in the East,he reckoned that we were the first people to talk to him in over 6 years!
A big problem in the East though were the informants that worked for the Stasi so nobody talked to anybody they didn´t know well,they all tended to look at your cheeks when you spoke to them and never looked you in the eyes,fcuking creepy.
The Ossi´s aren´t really racist,they hate everybody including themselves quite a bit too, but being a terrorist and not telling anybody that you´re a terrorist and killing Turks but not claiming responsibility is about as typical east german as you can get,daft fcukers didn´t even talk to the press so nobody felt as if they were being ´terrorised´,then they top themselves so nobody can inform on them.To top all that the bint that was helping them and is trying for a supergrass badge burns all the evidence to hide what was supposed to be her get out of jail card?................now you know why all the stupid ossi jokes have a ring of truth to them.
 
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Interesting, this bit caught my eye.My bold, I'd not so much compare this to the RAF, the thing that comes to mind is the James Younger gang. A group of racist bandits who cast their predations as a continuance of the cause of Dixie. The other thing that strikes me is killing kebab stall owners might have quite a lot to do with getting a free felafel and it being a cash business. Finally only Boxheads would regard bicycles and a camper van as suitable bank robbery getaway vehicles, it's really not very Heat is it?
If you were a cop turning up at the scene of a crime who are you going to go for ...the guy burning rubber down the road in the souped up Jag or the tatty looking hippie on the push bike ? I would suggest they are pretty much perfect getaway options LoL
 
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If you were a cop turning up at the scene of a crime who are you going to go for ...the guy burning rubber down the road in the souped up Jag or the tatty looking hippie on the push bike ? I would suggest they are pretty much perfect getaway options LoL
Not stylish but I agree that is perfect camouflage in PC Germania.

The clean cut far right chaps also seem to have been lower on the whiteboard than the dusky Anatolian mafias of the Kraut imagination.
 

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Neo Nazis - worshiping the policies of Hitler.

One people, One Reich headed by Germany using one currency as dictated by Germany?

Hello McFly turn the ****ing T.V. on and watch the news.
 

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