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Terror Attacks in Europe

bestri10

Old-Salt
But fascism is a left wing construct with its roots in Marxism, but nationalist and without the anti semitism.
when looking up the definition of fascism, nationalist etc. most of the time it comes up with shit saying its right wing constructs.
firstly there is nothing wrong with being a nationalist by definition, only uneducated people will associate nationalism with being a nazi etc.
to me fascism is just a set of tactics i.e. banning certain books, speech, media, movement, thought etc. and use of violence to force an agenda and was obviously used by communists, nazis and mussolini's fascist party, more commonly in the world today we see it used by the left especially far left groups such as blm and antifa, so it is beyond me why those on the left claim to be anti fascist or anti nazi whilst doing exactly what the nazis, fascists in italy and communists done. if those on the left who support this actually educated themselves they would see that they are in fact the nazis or fascists they claim those on the right are.
 
I was wondering how far back the idea of nazis and fascists being considered to be right wing started. Some interesting suggestions here. When did fascism start being called 'right-wing' and communism 'left-wing'? How were they considered before WW2? - Quora

1930s revisionism by communists in particular seems to make sense. Neither Hitler nor Mussolini were particular fans of capitalism and both were in to centralised control of everything. By associating anything to the right with those two discredited socialist systems, they can drive people further left, until there is only one accepted system; the one that spawned national socialists and fascists. This must be one of the most successful con jobs ever. Anyone who disagrees must be Alt-right (white superiority types?). Was Hitler Alt-right and are the Alt-right really left or are they independent of left or right? :???:
 
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when looking up the definition of fascism, nationalist etc. most of the time it comes up with shit saying its right wing constructs.
firstly there is nothing wrong with being a nationalist by definition, only uneducated people will associate nationalism with being a nazi etc.
to me fascism is just a set of tactics i.e. banning certain books, speech, media, movement, thought etc. and use of violence to force an agenda and was obviously used by communists, nazis and mussolini's fascist party, more commonly in the world today we see it used by the left especially far left groups such as blm and antifa, so it is beyond me why those on the left claim to be anti fascist or anti nazi whilst doing exactly what the nazis, fascists in italy and communists done. if those on the left who support this actually educated themselves they would see that they are in fact the nazis or fascists they claim those on the right are.
The terms "left" and "right" originated in the French Revolution era, when it briefly referred to where various parties sat in the French parliament. That's not however directly related to the use of the terms today.

The modern usage came about by adapting the terms to the political situation in the socialist movement of the early 20th century. Forget about today's political scene, and just look at it in terms of society and politics in the beginning of the last century. "Socialism" in those terms was an all encompassing world view, and attempted to explain all of society. It wasn't just a political party platform.

On the "left" were the Marxists. In the "centre" were the Social Democrats. On the "right" were the syndicalists and various other fringe groups which eventually gave rise to the Fascists when combined with nationalism. "Capitalism" wasn't considered to be a political philosophy and so didn't have a place on this scale, except as a stage in historical progression on the inevitable way to socialism. The belief was that the nature of society is determined by material conditions, and that just as agriculture led to feudalism, then industrialism would lead to socialism.

If you look at the modern welfare state (the NHS and equivalents, unemployment benefits, etc., etc.) as being the realisation of what people back then would have looked at as being the essential parts of a Social Democrat program, then you could argue that the scale still applies today.

The Nazis don't really fit neatly within this left-right scale, but you always have that problem when you try to come up with a classification system. Some things just don't fit anywhere.

If you are looking for a simple guide though, then "left" is all about social class and class struggle, and "right" is all about hyper-nationalism.
 

French lawyers must be sharpening their pencils and their briefs in anticipation of the first attempt to enact that!
 

TamH70

MIA
French lawyers must be sharpening their pencils and their briefs in anticipation of the first attempt to enact that!
Given the mood that the Grenouille's government are in at the moment, if the lawyers make so much as a peep against this move, they'll be on the same planes as their putative clients.

Or dead. That works as well. The DGSI exists, and from what I'm reading, they're being let off the leash. Allegedly they're still pissed that they don't have their Rainbow Warrior moment and are still jealous of the DGSE for having theirs.
 
Given the mood that the Grenouille's government are in at the moment, if the lawyers make so much as a peep against this move, they'll be on the same planes as their putative clients.

Or dead. That works as well. The DGSI exists, and from what I'm reading, they're being let off the leash. Allegedly they're still pissed that they don't have their Rainbow Warrior moment and are still jealous of the DGSE for having theirs.
They didn't mess around when they were sorting out the OAS in the sixties.
 
Given the mood that the Grenouille's government are in at the moment, if the lawyers make so much as a peep against this move, they'll be on the same planes as their putative clients.

Or dead. That works as well. The DGSI exists, and from what I'm reading, they're being let off the leash. Allegedly they're still pissed that they don't have their Rainbow Warrior moment and are still jealous of the DGSE for having theirs.
Are they available for hire?
 

Londo

LE
We must not rush to judge...


....aaand it's a Muslim.
In another report on this particularly nasty clown he was claiming that the words shouted on the video he broadcast "Attack , attack , attack " were all about training a dog he wanted to own . Similar to one he had owned in Pakistan .
So is he British born or does he hail from that nice overseas country full of love and enlightenment ?
If the latter why is he still here with his long criminal record ?
 
Migrants that made it to the Canary Island are getting put up in hotels too...

*oops wrong thread.. :-(


Salud, fácil
 
In another report on this particularly nasty clown he was claiming that the words shouted on the video he broadcast "Attack , attack , attack " were all about training a dog he wanted to own . Similar to one he had owned in Pakistan .
So is he British born or does he hail from that nice overseas country full of love and enlightenment ?
If the latter why is he still here with his long criminal record ?
I bet there's nothing on the BBC about this case...
 

OneTenner

LE
Book Reviewer
We must not rush to judge...


....aaand it's a Muslim.
Judge Philip Katz QC said he did not believe Iqbal's approach to an anti-radicalisation programme to be a "genuine change of attitude" and that when dealing with authorities he says "whatever you think suits you best at the time".
He continued: "You blame your offending on everything from drugs to mental issues to your difficulties opening a bank account, and most ironically to you being the subject of racism.
"The irony being your own overt racism, some of it towards other Muslims."

Stereotyping or reverting to type?
 
Was mentioned in part on the BBC news website but nothing on TV of course
I was being ironic. His sentencing was well covered on the BBC, but not by other media outlets, however his conviction, on 20 October. was widely publicised at the time by multiple news outlets, including on BBC radio and TV. So why do you say "but nothing on [BBC] TV of course"?
 
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