Terror Attacks in Europe in 2019

Krautman

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Criticising Jews here is political suicide after the 1930s. Promoting anything remotely acceptable to the NSDAP is automatically shouted down. Irrespective of whether it is a good idea or not. I find that rather frustrating as not everything the NSDAP did was bad, but apparently that line of thinking is not acceptable. My excuse is, as a Brit, I wasn't educated "correctly."
As a "correctly" educated German I have to ask what wasn't bad? Any examples?
 

Le_addeur_noir

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Here you go

It seems despite what happened in the last war, the decades of anti Semitism prior to that war still lives on deep down in the German psyche. Similar to other European countries and Britain's National Socialist Labour Party.
 

WALT

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As a "correctly" educated German I have to ask what wasn't bad? Any examples?
Anything that came under the banner of national socialism. Holidays and summer camps for the workers, etc. Autobahns (yes, I know this was established during the Weimar republic, but the NSDAP carried the work on), Reichsarbeitsdienst. Ok. one had to be the right colour, but the desire to promote society was there.
The fact that you automatically dismiss any of their achievements rather proves my point.

Edited to add:- Volkswagen. Really, I can go if you give me time.......

Edited further to add:- Fanta (obviously you can only appreciate this if you actually drink it).
 
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Krautman

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Anyone in Germany know how many Jewish have left in the past say four years?
No, there is a decline in the jewish population in Germany but it is mostly down to people dying, over 50% of the German Jews are over 60years and those that migrated from the former USSR came as adults or older people. So there is overageing and the fact that massive parts of the migrant population are antisemites. So no one wants to migrate to Germany.
 

Le_addeur_noir

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Nope the first Autobahn was opened by Adenauer 1932 before the Machtergreifung.
Then the NSDAP really do not have much going for them, then.

Rounding up pikeys may just get them the occasional nod of approval, but I don't think the Gypsies of the 1930s can be compared to the pikey infestations we have to put up with here in the UK.
 
No, there is a decline in the jewish population in Germany but it is mostly down to people dying, over 50% of the German Jews are over 60years and those that migrated from the former USSR came as adults or older people. So there is overageing and the fact that massive parts of the migrant population are antisemites. So no one wants to migrate to Germany.
I would quite like to migrate to Germany but my German wife refuses to even consider it.
 

Krautman

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Anything that came under the banner of national socialism. Holidays and summer camps for the workers, etc. Autobahns (yes, I know this was established during the Weimar republic, but the NSDAP carried the work on), Reichsarbeitsdienst. Ok. one had to be the right colour, but the desire to promote society was there.
The fact that you automatically dismiss any of their achievements rather proves my point.

Edited to add:- Volkswagen. Really, I can go if you give me time.......

Edited further to add:- Fanta (obviously you can only appreciate this if you actually drink it).
The DAF's and KdF's purposes were indoctrination, cooptation and surveillance of the workers. And paired with bread and circuses it worked. I give you that it was to build the so called Volksgemeinschaft but only to isolate and disenfranchise and later kill jews, socialists, homosexuals, the mental ill and other "Untermenschen". Same is with the RAD. Everything the Nazis did was to indoctrinate us little Aryans to be good Killers of Non-Aryans.
And the KdF-Wagen was a scam also, they betrayed millions with the promise of a relatively cheap, 990 Reichsmark, car. I still somewhere have an account-book from my grandfahter where hey saved 5 Reichsmark a week for the car.
 
The DAF's and KdF's purposes were indoctrination, cooptation and surveillance of the workers. And paired with bread and circuses it worked. I give you that it was to build the so called Volksgemeinschaft but only to isolate and disenfranchise and later kill jews, socialists, homosexuals, the mental ill and other "Untermenschen". Same is with the RAD. Everything the Nazis did was to indoctrinate us little Aryans to be good Killers of Non-Aryans.
And the KdF-Wagen was a scam also, they betrayed millions with the promise of a relatively cheap, 990 Reichsmark, car. I still somewhere have an account-book from my grandfahter where hey saved 5 Reichsmark a week for the car.
There is a wider point here (and sorry for the thread drift): if one accepts the current meta that the NSDAP did no good, then one cannot explain the appeal of the party to contemporary Germans. That casts the 1933-45 period as 'inexplicable' when it can be explained.
The RAD, DAF, KdF were popular with many Germans. AH and the NSDAP had some politically and practically successful domestic policies.
 
Then the NSDAP really do not have much going for them, then.

Rounding up pikeys may just get them the occasional nod of approval, but I don't think the Gypsies of the 1930s can be compared to the pikey infestations we have to put up with here in the UK.
They created nature preserves, championed sustainable forestry, curbed air pollution, and designed the autobahn highway network as a way of bringing Germans closer to nature

So you could say they were pioneering green champions, the likes of which Extinction Rebellion could only dream of

And not only that they were championing the idea of closer European integration before anyone thought of the EU, country by country, starting with Poland ;)
 

WALT

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The DAF's and KdF's purposes were indoctrination, cooptation and surveillance of the workers. And paired with bread and circuses it worked.
I can accept that the motivation was wrong, but the methods and techniques were beneficial to some members of society. There is no reason not to extend these to the rest of modern Germany other than the fact that "Nazi is bad!"
I have migrated to the former DDR and am quite happy here. The attitude is a bit old fashioned and traditional, but I like that and find that it is missing in the UK and amongst the Wessies. They are a bit odd (suspicious of newcomers) but genuinely care for their local communities and are relatively proud of being Germans. They seem to have accepted me, but still throw a watchful eye over me.
I find it rather sad that you are ashamed of your country. You have no reason to be.
 
They created nature preserves, championed sustainable forestry, curbed air pollution, and designed the autobahn highway network as a way of bringing Germans closer to nature

So you could say they were pioneering green champions, the likes of which Extinction Rebellion could only dream of

And not only that they were championing the idea of closer European integration before anyone thought of the EU, country by country, starting with Poland ;)
There's a far-right organisation that came out of the recent Ukraine troubles called Green Line Front who are trying to do the green Nazi stuff. There's been a few over the years. Even the BNP tried "Hard Green" elements in their manifestos around 2005.
 

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