Termination of Service.

#1
Need some advice here... Whats the score with signing off when your unit has been warned off for a tour? (op Telic 10) Can your OC actually stop you from terminating your colour service? I always thought it was your right to sign off whenever you feel like it. (unless timebarred) :?:
 
#4
I could post something that would drag this on for a while but I'm going to resist the temptation, and its a massive one at that, but, here goes with the common-sense approach, prolly with a slight rant added at the end...

Yes, young man, the OC/CO CAN INDEED stop you from signing off when warned off for a tour. It happens all the time and has done for years... Hence the fact that if you do one and go AWOL when warned off for a tour the consequences are much worse than if you just nipped out for a pizza and forgot to come back at a more 'normal' time in the readiness cycle. So, whilst knowing that the answer to your question is indeed yes he can, I'm not well enough boned up on the exact legalities of the whole thing to advise you further and suggest you nip into the RHQ bit and ask the desk-commando types, but at the moment, you are well truely stuck.....

And why is that? you ask

Because:












ITS THE FECKIN ARMY YOU JOINED - NOT THE SCOUTS!


There, I feel better, you might not, but I dont care..... Oh and I'm prolly now one of the reasons you want to leave as well, and THAT makes me even happier.
 
#5
Battsimm said:
I could post something that would drag this on for a while but I'm going to resist the temptation, and its a massive one at that, but, here goes with the common-sense approach, prolly with a slight rant added at the end...

Yes, young man, the OC/CO CAN INDEED stop you from signing off when warned off for a tour. It happens all the time and has done for years...

And why is that? you ask

Because:












ITS THE FECKIN ARMY YOU JOINED - NOT THE SCOUTS!


There, I feel better, you might not, but I dont care..... Oh and I'm prolly now one of the reasons you want to leave as well, and THAT makes me even happier.
Good answer.

Thread_Bear - Why have you decided to terminate your service at the start of a tour?

If it was the start of an expedition to the Grand Canyon / Red Sea etc, the admin office would only see you when you wanted an advance of beer tokens.

You are a cnut.
 
#7
Big girl
 
#8
I dont want your opinions, i was after THE BOOK answer!
not "hes the OC he can do what he wants" (maybe 10 years ago, but im sure 'human rights' changed all that) so if you dont actually know the answer dont bother commenting!

1. Im not a young lad
2. Op Telic 10 is 8 months away (so its not the start of a tour)
3. I have a chest full of medals (im not scared, in fact i have volunteered for many a tour)
4. I really have had enough of the army. i have done everything i wanted to do. and met some really good people. I now want to go and do something different. is that really too much to ask!

if someone actually knows the answer to my question then please reply sensibly because i get the feeling my oc is more worried about his manning than actually telling me the truth.
 
#9
Go to the RAO to get the book answer.

Don't expect the answer you are after though, be like a German Vegetarian Pessimist.....and fear the Wurst.
 
#10
If your not a young man and you have a chestful of been there badges(and is brave), you should know the answer instead of making yourself look daft on this site.
 
#11
Thread_bear

Are you a vm or recy mech? if so the co has good grounds for not allowing you to sign off when your unit has been warned for ops. pinch point trades and all that. If I were you and you're scared of going on ops just say that you object to the whole iraq/afganistan invasion thang and believe that they are illegal. then your boss would have to stick you on rear party but still not let you sign off.
 
#12
Errrr, Thread_Bear...
Something you want to tell us young 'un....

If you aren't too busy polishing your medals or being brave, or even fibbing slightly pehaps?.....

Thread_Bear said:
REMEWOTAJOKE said:
Bit of a flyer me......19 yrs in and still a full screw,no Sgts pension for me!.Standards will always seem to drop as you get older,trust me,when i was a basic VM student all the upgraders seemed to be old,hairy,beer swilling,hardmen.When I was an upgrader (Oct93-Apr94) all the basic students seemed so small!.
The Corps has gone to Rat-s***,and very soon will fall flat on its face,all the good ones seem to be leaving (especially full screw vm's). I have no bone to pick over tiffies, just want to do my job and gain recognition for it without having to resort to MTI,Charity work or organising functions!.
Enough of that,if you want standards to improve then all the VM full screws and experienced Class 1's need to start teaching. I was taught by my full screws and class 1's,the Tiffies are for signing paperwork and designing flow cahrts the real power rests with the Artisans.
ARTE ET MARTE!!!!
I signed off today! (VM(A) - 11 years - fullscrew!)..... feels like a massive weight lifted off my shoulders!... only 12 months to push!

"ARTE ET BILLY SMARTE"
 
#13
AGAIs Vol 5 INSTRUCTION 006 - RETIREMENT OR DISCHARGE ON GROUNDS OF CONSCIENCE

Here's your Cop out
 
#14
Twist_To_Open said:
AGAIs Vol 5 INSTRUCTION 006 - RETIREMENT OR DISCHARGE ON GROUNDS OF CONSCIENCE

His grounds for discharge because of his conscience will be questionable seeing as though he is brave and has a chestful of medals already.

Bite the bullet do your tour and sign off on your return
 
#15
I still want to know why he's getting advice on this thread about signing off and he's bigging himself up in another saying he's already done it - there are better ways of getting attention - like dousing yourself in petrol and taking a zippo to yourself. Which on the face of it might save him and everyone within 10 miles of him a load of grief.......
 
#16
Battsimm said:
I still want to know why he's getting advice on this thread about signing off and he's bigging himself up in another saying he's already done it - there are better ways of getting attention - like dousing yourself in petrol and taking a zippo to yourself. Which on the face of it might save him and everyone within 10 miles of him a load of grief.......
1.check the dates of the post clever dick. I signed off one day, and the following day i was told a mistake had been made and i wasnt actually allowed to sign off due to the warning order for op telic (thats why i asked for the advice in the first place).

2.didnt realise that serving 11 years made me a 'young un'... havnt been called 'youth' for a long time!

3. Im not signing off to get out of a tour. The point im trying to get across is 'why can i not go on tour whilst already signed off' (i know plenty of other people that have done this)... at the moment the earliest i can get out of the army is in 20 months time....... surely this cant be right :?:

4. i asked my oc if i could sign off closer to the tour date so that when we return from iraq i am pretty much discharged. He said "NO" (point blank)
 
#17
Thread_Bear said:
3. Im not signing off to get out of a tour. The point im trying to get across is 'why can i not go on tour whilst already signed off' (i know plenty of other people that have done this)... at the moment the earliest i can get out of the army is in 20 months time....... surely this cant be right :?:

4. i asked my oc if i could sign off closer to the tour date so that when we return from iraq i am pretty much discharged. He said "NO" (point blank)
I signed off just before a tour, then changed the dates so I could get all of my resettlement and the leave in. (Plus a very small amount of work.)

Did the tour, got a tan, got the resettlement and the leave. My unit were chuffed I changed dates to do tour, they were a bit pissed off I almost de-kitted before getting off the plane from Iraq :D but were even more chuffed when I drove out the gates! :) :p :)

Try chatting with your boss/OC/RCMO and sort out an amicable solution, just because it's a right or a privilege doesn't mean you will always get it. If you have to suffer so 10 blokes don't - unlucky. You should know that by now.

CC_TA

My old boss doesn't know I might be going on Telic 9 with him yet :lol: :p :lol:
 
#18
oh my god..... you`re first person that doesnt slag me off for wanting to sign off. I feel obliged to thank you for that :D

what you did is pretty much what i want to do. I just dont understand why the regiment, the OC, and the rest of the people on here are being so unreasonable. I might go polish my medals now :wink:
 
#19
Thread-bear,

Us? Unreasonable? I think a full length mirror is required! You're happy to take the King's Shilling while it suits you but now that the people who pay your wages require a return of service, and therefore have stopped your termination, you want to whinge about it!

Stop being a Tuesday, Wednesday AND Thursday!
 
#20
Thread_Bear said:
3. Im not signing off to get out of a tour. The point im trying to get across is 'why can i not go on tour whilst already signed off' (i know plenty of other people that have done this)... at the moment the earliest i can get out of the army is in 20 months time....... surely this cant be right :?:

4. i asked my oc if i could sign off closer to the tour date so that when we return from iraq i am pretty much discharged. He said "NO" (point blank)
What your reasons to leave are your own business. No one else's:

So according to your OC's reasoning, when you get back from Op Telic (insert number) you can then still not sign off becouse the unit is warned off for Op Telic (insert next number) or Op (insert name here) It could be a never ending circle!

I agree that you may have to do the tour, but you should still be able to do your notice during the tour. Query this one further if I were you. Even to the point of requesting your OC to put his refusal in writing. That way you have got something to complain about.

If you have a notice engagement, then that is what you should be able to do, as and when you want to. A extension to complete tour OK. But nothing else.
 

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