Ginger_Winger
Clanker
IQS is 45 days per clasp so MO logic would be to deduct all IQS.
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(Temporary) Halt to ACSM 11 issue?
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Clanker
Danny_Dravot
LE
possibly - I'll your word for it, I'm not sure without looking up the DIN
FourZeroCharlie
MIA
There is a rather intense FOI request (still active) which deals with many of the questions posed on this thread:
www.whatdotheyknow.com
Indeed, it's possible that some of those posting here are a part of the MoD request trail.
As to the thorny subject of 'qualification', I would make the following observations:
1. The matter of ACSM IQS at 45 days, if confirmed, would seem to muddle the matter even more so.
2. The final clasps to GSM 1962 included clasp 'N IRAQ & S TURKEY': the qualifying service for this medal was 30 days. The final clasp was 'AIR OPERATIONS IRAQ' - however, the qualifying service for this medal/clasp was 60 days continuous service or 90 days aggregated service.
3. This creates the anomaly that a man/woman could serve 31 days on the former operation, thus qualifying for the medal/clasp but not attract any ACSM qualifying service.
4. Further, a man/woman who served 59 days/89 days respectively for the latter award would attract qualifying service for ACSM but not complete the requisite service for the award of the GSM.*
*having re-read the existing criteria for ACSM, I believe that I may have answered my own question: given that my example at 4 results in no award of GSM 1962, then there is no accrued ACSM service.
I'm curious as to how this muddle will resolve itself!
Accumulated Campaign Service Medal 2011 - a Freedom of Information request to Ministry of Defence
1. Several years ago a colleague was awarded their LSGC with the incorrect rank inscribed. On querying this, MoDMO responded that qualification occurs at the time when the medal criteria is met, not at the time of medal application (my colleague had been recently promoted). Is it still MoD...
www.whatdotheyknow.com
Indeed, it's possible that some of those posting here are a part of the MoD request trail.
As to the thorny subject of 'qualification', I would make the following observations:
1. The matter of ACSM IQS at 45 days, if confirmed, would seem to muddle the matter even more so.
2. The final clasps to GSM 1962 included clasp 'N IRAQ & S TURKEY': the qualifying service for this medal was 30 days. The final clasp was 'AIR OPERATIONS IRAQ' - however, the qualifying service for this medal/clasp was 60 days continuous service or 90 days aggregated service.
3. This creates the anomaly that a man/woman could serve 31 days on the former operation, thus qualifying for the medal/clasp but not attract any ACSM qualifying service.
4. Further, a man/woman who served 59 days/89 days respectively for the latter award would attract qualifying service for ACSM but not complete the requisite service for the award of the GSM.*
*having re-read the existing criteria for ACSM, I believe that I may have answered my own question: given that my example at 4 results in no award of GSM 1962, then there is no accrued ACSM service.
I'm curious as to how this muddle will resolve itself!
Ginger_Winger
Clanker
The 45 days was for qualification of each clasp for the GSM 08.There is a rather intense FOI request (still active) which deals with many of the questions posed on this thread:
Accumulated Campaign Service Medal 2011 - a Freedom of Information request to Ministry of Defence
1. Several years ago a colleague was awarded their LSGC with the incorrect rank inscribed. On querying this, MoDMO responded that qualification occurs at the time when the medal criteria is met, not at the time of medal application (my colleague had been recently promoted). Is it still MoD...
Indeed, it's possible that some of those posting here are a part of the MoD request trail.
As to the thorny subject of 'qualification', I would make the following observations:
1. The matter of ACSM IQS at 45 days, if confirmed, would seem to muddle the matter even more so.
2. The final clasps to GSM 1962 included clasp 'N IRAQ & S TURKEY': the qualifying service for this medal was 30 days. The final clasp was 'AIR OPERATIONS IRAQ' - however, the qualifying service for this medal/clasp was 60 days continuous service or 90 days aggregated service.
3. This creates the anomaly that a man/woman could serve 31 days on the former operation, thus qualifying for the medal/clasp but not attract any ACSM qualifying service.
4. Further, a man/woman who served 59 days/89 days respectively for the latter award would attract qualifying service for ACSM but not complete the requisite service for the award of the GSM.*
*having re-read the existing criteria for ACSM, I believe that I may have answered my own question: given that my example at 4 results in no award of GSM 1962, then there is no accrued ACSM service.
I'm curious as to how this muddle will resolve itself!
As you have said qualification for any of the medals or clasps is dependant on the Operations name and it could be 1 day upto 90 days. So in my case 112 days were deducted from my ACSM total not because it was policy at the time of award but it was a LTT when I applied (2016).
Is it or isn't in the spirit of the ACSM?
For me it is about fair and consistent interpretation of written policy and not the application of implied policy in a lines to take email.
Regards
Regards
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Joe_crow_2019
Crow
I’ve just had my application and qualifying days calculation back - the IQS for my medals has been included in the total days for the ACSM.
The first 7 weeks of a tour have been missed off completely but that’s being addressed separately.
The first 7 weeks of a tour have been missed off completely but that’s being addressed separately.
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Ginger_Winger
Clanker
When did you apply?
Joe_crow_2019
Crow
They were the GSM with NI bar and the Afghan OSM.
Joe_crow_2019
Crow
About September last year
Interesting - current policy states that the OSM Afghanistan should not have IQS included for the ACSM.
Still, great news for you and hopefully a sign there has been an outbreak of common sense at MODMO!
Ginger_Winger
Clanker
Interesting, as this was during the review period that as far as I was aware hadn't finished by then.
You should only have 1 lot of IQS (30 days) deducted (i.e. the first 30 days that qualified you for your OSM).
You should then also have R&R days out of theatre deducted, so assuming you took 3 x 14 days R and R totalling 42 days, you should have:
Your days in theatre, minus 30 days IQS, minus 42 R&R days.
However, under this new policy (which no one seems to know anything about!) who knows?!
You should then also have R&R days out of theatre deducted, so assuming you took 3 x 14 days R and R totalling 42 days, you should have:
Your days in theatre, minus 30 days IQS, minus 42 R&R days.
However, under this new policy (which no one seems to know anything about!) who knows?!
Ap,
thanks for clarifying thats what i was assuming but like you say who knows, i am also very short on days but a good idea of how many now need to possibly qualify in the future. Thank you.
Ginger_Winger
Clanker
March 2023?
Solo Dave
LE
Many a true word spoken in jest!!! I'll keep the thread appraised if I do hear anything in March.
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