Telic 7 call-up

#1
Does anyone know when envelopes will be hitting doormats for the next Tranche? Or has it already happened.

Any wild and unsubstantiated rumours gratefully and uncritically believed.
 
#2
Any time now Neuro , but most of those going from my unit already know they are.
 
#3
It would seem that Kentigan House are refusing to challenge any appeals against mobilisation. Met an acquaintance at lunch who said that he put an appeal in because he thought he couldn't get compensation unless he appealed in some way although he was happy enough for his employee to go. Next thing he knows is a letter saying that his appeal was successfull! Claims it was a simple two line job along the lines of: "Bloggs is a vaulable employee. We wish to appeal against his mobilisation"

I did some digging and quite a few mates who thought they were going are not going despite having reluctant agreement from the boss.

FFS how can it be compulsory mobilisation if MOD is not going to stand up to wishy washy appeals??
 
#4
GoodIdeaAtTheTime said:
It would seem that Kentigan House are refusing to challenge any appeals against mobilisation.
I would ask you to take me at my word that you are wrong in this respect. Appeals are very carefully considered and - whilst most are supported, proving that the appeals process is valid and we are an employer-friendly organisation - some are challenged and are over-ruled where the nature of the appeal is spurious.

The numbers likely to appeal are included in the calculation for total number of "brown envelopes" sent out so that the powers that be can be reasonably confident in their ability to generate the required force. Those of you who have been mobilised should be able to support my claim that the appeals procedure is made crystal clear to employers.

How long we can continue to sustain the numbers being mobilised and still either allow and/or support valid appeals is a matter for discussion way above my pay-scale and is unlikely to progress beyond mere speculation in these forums ;)
 
#5
abacus said:
some are challenged and are over-ruled where the nature of the appeal is spurious.
I'm guessing that the number of MOD challenges has dropped substantially since Telic 1 and I'll also bet that the numbers are a tightly guarded secret.

It would seem that unless it was written in crayon it's valid. I know one soldier that just hassled Kentigan House on the phone and that was him off the bus and as he works for one of the big boys I'll bet the sand dodger knew his bosses were not going to appeal.

Now where's my box of white feathers?
 
#7
Soldier1(UK) said:
you took the queens shilling now pack your kit!
My point precisely, I had expected MOd to be a lot harder on squealers, especially those that are making a habit of it.
 
#8
GoodIdeaAtTheTime said:
Soldier1(UK) said:
you took the queens shilling now pack your kit!
My point precisely, I had expected MOd to be a lot harder on squealers, especially those that are making a habit of it.
This appeal process is for employers. See abacus's post. Some soldiers might be getting their employer to appeal, other soldiers are willing to serve but their employer has objected. It should not be necessary to explain why the employers appeal system does not apply to regular personnel!
 
#9
GoodIdeaAtTheTime said:
abacus said:
some are challenged and are over-ruled where the nature of the appeal is spurious.
I'm guessing that the number of MOD challenges has dropped substantially since Telic 1 and I'll also bet that the numbers are a tightly guarded secret.

It would seem that unless it was written in crayon it's valid. I know one soldier that just hassled Kentigan House on the phone and that was him off the bus and as he works for one of the big boys I'll bet the sand dodger knew his bosses were not going to appeal.

Now where's my box of white feathers?
Hmmm was called up for Telic 1 and my (German) employer put in an appeal (meaning he wrote it out in German and expected me to translate it for him) I basically wrote my own letter whereby I stated that my employer wanted to appeal on the grounds that I was indispensible and that in my opinion this was a load of bolox and he could easily spare me for 6 months, what did they do? He got his appeal through no ifs and buts. So in the end I told him to stick his job and went anyway but had major hassle because of it.
 
#10
you took the queens shilling now pack your kit!

My point precisely, I had expected MOd to be a lot harder on squealers, especially those that are making a habit of it.
Lads, you are obviously new to arrse. I suggest you read the extensive forums on this subject.

I will not dwell on why TA types are appealling, but i will try to put it in perspective.

Imagine. at your unit, a bloke says ' Been selected for a 6 month rugby tour in Oz, can I go?'

Because most employers view the TA the same way.

Of course you will both be happy to take on all his work whilst he swans off for a good time ..... right?

Back to the Rugger type: He has his pay halved, his chances of promotion are binned for the next 5 years, his family are left to fend for themselves for six months and his rugby club are don't like him cos he's not a full time player, despite the fact that he puts every effort in.

He gets injured - after he gets back, has to travel for 6 hours to the Rugby Medical Services cos due to cut backs there are no RMS in the south of the country. Doctor out playig golf, so rugger boy has to pay for a cheap motel and wait until the next day. Expense never re-imbursed cos his rugby club don't have the forms and the freephone number just rings out.

Gets back to his job and binned or his former juniors are now in charge of him. Rugby club say 'we would love to help but our hands are tied by the new civil service team running part time rugby clubs'. As a forward, he doesn't quite fit into the Diversity profile.

Gets binned from the rugby club

The rugby club that first sent him there have no money to practise anymore and the coach is away on tour in Oz. No one can remember how to play the game.

Would you volunteer to go .... for a second tour?
 
#11
Soldier1(UK) said:
Shut up, you took the queens shilling now pack your kit!
Any employer that takes the time to look at the sabre website wins their appeal, I've not heard of any that have lost one. That includes appeals from those indirectly/directly employed by the MOD.
 
#13
Soldier1(UK) said:
Is there an appeals process for us Regs?
Not as such but I would hope that an intelligent CO would use the composition of the Rear Party as an extra string to the compassionate bow.

For less serious issues than operational tours there is the good old "Impact Statement" that I believe is used rather liberally in some quarters.

Further to other posts, and to put the case for the employer, I know of at least one employer who has refused to appeal on behalf of a TA Soldier for precisely the Queen's Shilling issue. Admittedly the composition of this employer's senior management is rumoured to be particularly forces friendly ;)
 
#16
I've applied for Op Telic 7 and also directly for positions on the published list but have still been told, chances are close to zero....?

I guess out of the 200 jobs on there most will be filled rapidly by the 1000's of TA people around?

Does anyone know when notices will be going out? On the info I saw it said end of last month and start of this month? Did they all go out and the list is full?

Is there anyone here that has applied and heard?

BB
 
#18
Aintbrokedontfixit said:
My papers hit the mat in July.
Were you part of the initial Op Telic 7 call up or did you apply for one of the spare jobs?

Have a good one btw! Hopefully I'll be there soon?

BB
 
#19
didnt know you could apply for jobs. would have been gone ages ago. Was part of call out.
 

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This now on DII:

"A company from the UK's only Territorial Army Parachute Regiment has been mobilised for operations in Iraq.

4 PARA soldiers served with 1 and 3 PARA during the invasion of Iraq. More recently they have been in Iraq as part of the defence force around the UK logistics base. [Picture: Army]
The 76 paratroopers from Glasgow, Pudsey and London will be augmented by 50 officers and soldiers from infantry, signals, transport and Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineer units from Yorkshire and the North East. They have received their "call out" letters and will begin training for Operation TELIC 7 – the peace support operation in the Gulf.

A total of 149 soldiers have previously been mobilised as individuals or small groups to work alongside the regular Army on military operations in Iraq. However, this is the first time that a complete company from the 4th Battalion The Parachute Regiment (4 PARA) has been mobilised.

"This is a tremendous opportunity for the 4th Battalion The Parachute Regiment to play a significant role in this peace support operation," said Lieutenant Colonel Ben Baldwin, the Battalion's Commanding Officer.

"I am delighted that my soldiers will deploy as a complete company under our own territorial commanders. This is in line with the strong ethos of the TA which is 'Join together, train together, serve together.'"

CASSINO Company 4 PARA will leave for the Reserve Training and Mobilisation Centre in Chilwell, near Nottingham in late August 2005. There the soldiers will undergo documentation, medical and dental checks and be issued with clothing and equipment.

The second phase of the mobilisation will revise their military skills, including weapon handling and first aid, before they deploy to Kent and Kirkcudbright for further infantry training. They are expected to deploy to the Gulf in October 2005 to undertake security and escort duties in Southern Iraq.

Based in Thornbury Barracks, Pudsey, West Yorkshire, 4 PARA also has companies in White City, London and Houldsworth Street, Glasgow as well as detachments in Edinburgh, Hebburn in Tyne and Wear and Croydon.

4 PARA is the only TA Battalion of the Parachute Regiment. It supports and assists the regular battalions in their operational and peacetime roles by providing both fully formed company groups and individual soldiers. Volunteers from the Battalion are currently serving in a variety of operational theatres, primarily the Balkans, on six month tours."
 

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