Telegraph: US to keep Blair out of Middle East

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#1
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/20/wblair120.xml

Tony Blair was told by the United States yesterday that he had no authority to tackle political negotiations between the Israelis and Palestinians as he spent his first full day as special envoy to the Middle East.

Condoleezza Rice, the US secretary of state, insisted that America would retain leadership of the "political track" while Mr Blair would work on raising funds for the Palestinians, as well as building their economy and infrastructure.

It was the clearest account yet of the former prime minister's role in the Middle East on behalf of the international Quartet - the European Union, United Nations, the United States and Russia. He will be more an envoy to the Palestinians than a peace envoy.

"I think his mandate was made clear by the Quartet when they issued the statement," said Miss Rice.
I'm pretty well aware about attitude toward mr.Blair from the ARRSErs. Many could read it as 'don't run too far from me poodle'.

However, on what side are you sympathies? And why?
 
#2
Blair's in a tricky position, he has no statutory authority with any of the powers he's supposed to represent. If he gets too far away from any one of their positions they'll just turn round and say "Sorry mate, you're on you own", or in the case of the Russians something a bit more direct.

It'll be a challenge for him. Can he lick 4 arrses at once?

PB
 
#3
PassingBells said:
Blair's in a tricky position, he has no statutory authority with any of the powers he's supposed to represent. If he gets too far away from any one of their positions they'll just turn round and say "Sorry mate, you're on you own", or in the case of the Russians something a bit more direct.

It'll be a challenge for him. Can he lick 4 arrses at once?

PB
Earl Grey with polonium 210?
 
#5
PassingBells said:
Blair's in a tricky position, he has no statutory authority with any of the powers he's supposed to represent. If he gets too far away from any one of their positions they'll just turn round and say "Sorry mate, you're on you own", or in the case of the Russians something a bit more direct.

It'll be a challenge for him. Can he lick 4 arrses at once?

PB
Yes, right, agreed. Though our American friends could do it not so tactlessly. Why has this remark been made publicly? What are possible explanations?

1. Mr.Blair is indeed too active and he was hinted about it privately previously. So now a public statement is needed.

2. Our American friends try to present mr.Blair as an 'independent broker' while really he acts according to American instuctions.

3. ??? Would you like to add your version?
 

Alsacien

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#6
KGB_resident said:
PassingBells said:
Blair's in a tricky position, he has no statutory authority with any of the powers he's supposed to represent. If he gets too far away from any one of their positions they'll just turn round and say "Sorry mate, you're on you own", or in the case of the Russians something a bit more direct.

It'll be a challenge for him. Can he lick 4 arrses at once?

PB
Yes, right, agreed. Though our American friends could do it not so tactlessly. Why has this remark been made publicly? What are possible explanations?

1. Mr.Blair is indeed too active and he was hinted about it privately previously. So now a public statement is needed.

2. Our American friends try to present mr.Blair as an 'independent broker' while really he acts according to American instuctions.

3. ??? Would you like to add your version?
While the septics may want him in a "be my bitch" role - I cannot see that working with TB for long before he throws his toys from the pram. TB is a christian idealist and a seasoned diplomat, his problem is his baggage - and that is a big problem.
 
#7
Why doesn't Blair just do the lecture circuit, more money - less hassle.
The Yankees are up to thier old tricks pulling the strings of the puppet that is Tony Blair, how can they say that they will be in charge of negotiations?! They've done a great job so far haven't they...supporting Israel in the way of weapons and moral support, yet all they do for the Palestinians is impose more sanctions making them poorer and poorer, more angry and then they just bomb Israel again and again. Therefore Israel retaliates with their Yankee weapons! Thats great peace brokering...
 
#8
Why can't this discredited and dishonest 'chancer' just clear off and wither away?

Did a character from 'Alice In Wonderland' invent this 'appointment' for Bliar? Bliar - Middle East - Peace, the words that spring to my mind are: [align=center]fan, flames, hatred, petrol, pour[/align].

PS After he's arranged for peace in Palestine, perhaps he can find a solution to the appalling shambles in Iraq!
 
#9
lewis1991blue said:
Why doesn't Blair just do the lecture circuit, more money - less hassle.The Yankees are up to thier old tricks pulling the strings of the puppet that is Tony Blair, how can they say that they will be in charge of negotiations?! They've done a great job so far haven't they...supporting Israel in the way of weapons and moral support, yet all they do for the Palestinians is impose more sanctions making them poorer and poorer, more angry and then they just bomb Israel again and again. Therefore Israel retaliates with their Yankee weapons! Thats great peace brokering...
Because he is convinced of his own greatness and has set out on a crusade to heal the world. What do we have to do to convince this man that he's a cnut?
 

Biped

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#10
The Americans really need to get on board with the British on this one. TB needs to be in the ME, and the ME needs him. He has been heavily involved in the ME since 1987, and there is a lot of work still to be done, by him, or by the ME to him.
 
#11
Biped said:
The Americans really need to get on board with the British on this one. TB needs to be in the ME, and the ME needs him. He has been heavily involved in the ME since 1987, and there is a lot of work still to be done, by him, or by the ME to him.
Preferably, that work will be buried in a culvert with a handy firing point nearby.

I remember massive public efforts to keep him out of the ME 4 years ago; if they'd tried then it might have been of some use. But in typical septic style they're coming to the party years after the start and pretending it was their idea all along.
 
#12
You really have to wonder what the fcuking point of appointing him is, if what Condi says is gen.

There might be a bit of a turf war here. TCB is probably the only person who has a close, personal connection with the shaved chimp that rivals hers and the State Dept probably doesn't like the idea of diplomacy being taken out of their hands after the absolutely 1st class, bang-up job they've done since- ohh- the days of Harry Truman?
 
#13
crabtastic said:
You really have to wonder what the fcuking point of appointing him is, if what Condi says is gen.

There might be a bit of a turf war here. TCB is probably the only person who has a close, personal connection with the shaved chimp that rivals hers and the State Dept probably doesn't like the idea of diplomacy being taken out of their hands after the absolutely 1st class, bang-up job they've done since- ohh- the days of Harry Truman?
I see your point. And likely you are absolutely right. Ms.Rice is jealous of Mr.Blair. The Poodle is busy on the Field that little Monkey regards as her own. It is a very good explanation.
 

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#14
KGB_resident said:
crabtastic said:
You really have to wonder what the fcuking point of appointing him is, if what Condi says is gen.

There might be a bit of a turf war here. TCB is probably the only person who has a close, personal connection with the shaved chimp that rivals hers and the State Dept probably doesn't like the idea of diplomacy being taken out of their hands after the absolutely 1st class, bang-up job they've done since- ohh- the days of Harry Truman?
I see your point. And likely you are absolutely right. Ms.Rice is jealous of Mr.Blair. The Poodle is busy on the Field that little Monkey regards as her own. It is a very good explanation.
Not to mention Rice will unemployed/able when the chimp gets the boot..
 
#15
Good one Rice gets the boot then someother over paid twit gets the job. The Telegraph has an artical called No room in the inn for TB he will spend his time grabbing the loot from George B and having a good time, until he gets the EU Presidents job now he has sold UK down to the EU to his mates in Germany and France, TB promised the Army the gear they neaded for their front line duties, they have not got it, that why he is hot air and a LIAR, waiting for a better job as he did not get the bank job eg. EU number 1. Time will see.
 
#16
KGB_resident said:
PassingBells said:
Blair's in a tricky position, he has no statutory authority with any of the powers he's supposed to represent. If he gets too far away from any one of their positions they'll just turn round and say "Sorry mate, you're on you own", or in the case of the Russians something a bit more direct.

It'll be a challenge for him. Can he lick 4 arrses at once?

PB
Yes, right, agreed. Though our American friends could do it not so tactlessly. Why has this remark been made publicly? What are possible explanations?

1. Mr.Blair is indeed too active and he was hinted about it privately previously. So now a public statement is needed.

2. Our American friends try to present mr.Blair as an 'independent broker' while really he acts according to American instuctions.

3. ??? Would you like to add your version?
Got to get your shots in eh sergey?


Here's the "tactless" speech she used:

"I know that Tony Blair is an experienced, capable, historic figure and he's going to bring an energy to the international commitment to a Palestinian state that is capable for its own people," she told Sky News. "There is a very good sense that his dedication now to helping the Palestinians build the institutions of statehood, to move forward on economic development and to press forward on helping to create a strong Palestinian partner is very well timed as we try to move forward toward the establishment of a state."
 
#17
ghost_us said:
KGB_resident said:
PassingBells said:
Blair's in a tricky position, he has no statutory authority with any of the powers he's supposed to represent. If he gets too far away from any one of their positions they'll just turn round and say "Sorry mate, you're on you own", or in the case of the Russians something a bit more direct.

It'll be a challenge for him. Can he lick 4 arrses at once?

PB
Yes, right, agreed. Though our American friends could do it not so tactlessly. Why has this remark been made publicly? What are possible explanations?

1. Mr.Blair is indeed too active and he was hinted about it privately previously. So now a public statement is needed.

2. Our American friends try to present mr.Blair as an 'independent broker' while really he acts according to American instuctions.

3. ??? Would you like to add your version?
Got to get your shots in eh sergey?


Here's the "tactless" speech she used:

"I know that Tony Blair is an experienced, capable, historic figure and he's going to bring an energy to the international commitment to a Palestinian state that is capable for its own people," she told Sky News. "There is a very good sense that his dedication now to helping the Palestinians build the institutions of statehood, to move forward on economic development and to press forward on helping to create a strong Palestinian partner is very well timed as we try to move forward toward the establishment of a state."
Diplomats, you know, they use swet cover all the time

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/20/wblair120.xml

"I think his mandate was made clear by the Quartet when they issued the statement," said Miss Rice.

"There is also a political track that for a variety of reasons the United States is committed to lead in co-ordination with the Quartet."
= there is a big difference between a dog and a hunter.

Mr Blair's role "is something that is completely complementary and if we all work together, and there is plenty to do, perhaps we can finally deliver," she said.
= your right place is in your doghouse.

While she couched her comments amid lavish praise for Mr Blair, it amounted to a diplomatic snub after his representatives had earlier made clear he wanted to play a key role in peace negotiations.
= our pet is clever and joyfull, can stand on rear legs and bring shoes to the Master. He is fearless against cats and is wise not to approach them.
 
#18
There should be an option of "Why the hell did we hire Blair in the first place?" on the poll choices...
 
#19
snake oil salesmen, poodle, messenger for God? ............ o2 thief of the highest order.

hopefully he will just fade away but i doubt it .....

just an aside is he getting any TAX dosh from HMG for this little show he is in...............
 

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