Telegraph: Putin in nuclear threat against Europe

#1
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...FOAVCBQYIV0?xml=/news/2007/06/04/wputin04.xml

President Vladimir Putin has sent a chilling message to world leaders on the eve of the G8 summit with a threat to aim Russian nuclear missiles at European cities for the first time since the Cold War.

In comments that seemed calculated to cause consternation and division at Wednesday's meeting in Germany, the Russian leader said that American plans to erect a missile defence shield in eastern Europe had left him with no choice but to retaliate.

"It is obvious that if part of the strategic nuclear potential of the United States is located in Europe we will have to respond," he told reporters from G8 countries in Moscow at the weekend.

"What kind of steps are we are going to take in response? Of course we are going to acquire new targets in Europe."
 

Legs

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#2
Where are we going to build the new Iron Curtain?
 
#3
Legs said:
Where are we going to build the new Iron Curtain?
...with holes for gas-pipes.

I don't think that Putin's plans are a serious threat to Europe.
 
#4
KGB_resident said:
Legs said:
Where are we going to build the new Iron Curtain?
...with holes for gas-pipes.

I don't think that Putin's plans are a serious threat to Europe.
Me neither - just rhetoric. It doesn't take long to re-target a missile anyway so it was just symbolic that they weren't targetted.
 

Biped

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#5
It is too easy for Putain to forget how much his country owes to western developments and technology, not to mention the new wealth it has from us buying it's gas and oil.

If Europe has any gonads and does indeed speak with one voice, the message should be "Fine, we'll all target you with OUR missiles, we'll source our gas and oil from elsewhere, we'll stop giving Visas to Russian nationals and we'll start playing hard-ball with you!"
 
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Biped said:
It is too easy for Putain to forget how much his country owes to western developments and technology, not to mention the new wealth it has from us buying it's gas and oil.

If Europe has any gonads and does indeed speak with one voice, the message should be "Fine, we'll all target you with OUR missiles, we'll source our gas and oil from elsewhere, we'll stop giving Visas to Russian nationals and we'll start playing hard-ball with you!"
Please begin with mr.Abramovitch. I agree, that economical measures are the most effective, however sometimes too expensive.
 

Biped

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TopBadger said:
Biped said:
we'll source our gas and oil from elsewhere
Really, where? If we could we'd probably be doing it already... no?

TB
I believe that one of the reasons for the Afghan jolly is that we are trying to get gas pipelines through to Europe from countries other than Russia.

I'll look into the details.

As for Abramovich - I'd like to think we'd be a little bit selective and keep the guys with all the wedge!!

Here's a line being considered direct from Iran: Link one Clicky

And here is the main one: BBC Clicky

An agreement has been signed in the Turkmen capital, Ashgabat, paving the way for construction of a gas pipeline from the Central Asian republic through Afghanistan to Pakistan.

Pipelines
The project has been around for some years
The building of the trans-Afghanistan pipeline has been under discussion for some years but plans have been held up by Afghanistan's unstable political situation.

This follows a summit meeting bringing together the presidents of the three countries last May when the project received formal go-ahead.

The pipeline would represent the first major foreign investment in Afghanistan in many years.

Alternate route

With improved regional security after the fall of the Taleban about a year ago, Afghanistan, Turkmenistan and Pakistan have decided to push ahead with plans for the ambitious 1,500-kilometre-long gas pipeline.
 

TheIronDuke

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rickshaw-major said:
Me neither - just rhetoric. It doesn't take long to re-target a missile anyway so it was just symbolic that they weren't targetted.
I came here this morning to ask someone with missile pointing experience that very question. Because it seems to me its just a matter of entering new coordinates and waiting for the thing to swivel? I suppose theres a technical term for swiveling, but you get my North Atlantic?

Which begs the question... If Vlad the Questionable is threatening to point his missiles at us, where the hell are they pointed now?

Afghanistan & Iraq? At colition forces in a war zone? No. Iran? Vlad wants to be bestest pals with the Mullahs. Chechnya and Ingushia? A slight overkill.

If I was a polar bear in the Arctic I'd be bricking it.
 
#12
2012 - that's a date with destiny, and one to wait out for...unfortunately. :cry:

Forget the 'personalities' on stage, look at the string pullers, i.e., the MIC, the *anking elite, their lickspittles and serfs. :x

In the meantime, make your peace with God. :!:
 
#13
TheIronDuke said:
Which begs the question... If Vlad the Questionable is threatening to point his missiles at us, where the hell are they pointed now?
I believe their missiles and ours are all currently targeted at the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. This was a symbolic gesture by both sides following the end of the cold war. As you said, the target can be changed very quickly.

Time to start importing gas in tankers from the middle east I think. Also time to sweep the mothballs out of most of the fleet to provide escorts. Oh - and a couple of big aircraft carriers would be quite handy too thanks.
 
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Biped said:
TopBadger said:
Biped said:
we'll source our gas and oil from elsewhere
Really, where? If we could we'd probably be doing it already... no?

TB
I believe that one of the reasons for the Afghan jolly is that we are trying to get gas pipelines through to Europe from countries other than Russia.
Well thats ok then because the proposed routes are through really stable countries ..... :roll:

Basicaly the last Tory and present liabour fcuked up big time by not treating energy reservers and production as a stategic matter, and whilst investing in renewables was constantly being written off as 'cranky green tree hugging ideals' by most of the oil and nuclear industry, is that once again a profit over foresight matter! :x
 
#15
Lets just hope that the CND wing of the Liarbour Party are listening.

Actually, I've just had an interesting thought.

If the SNP get rid of the Trident bases and Putin decides to target Scotland, what will they do then?
 
#18
How do we know where the missiles have been pointing at anyway, or do we have teams from both sides checking missile co-ordinates???

Surely just a bit of chest beating from Putin, and if they have been pointing mid-atlantic for sometime, whats out there thats so threatening? are we about to be attacked by massed ranks of Cod, or suicide halibut.
 
#19
Guess the US , (Britain) and Europe are getting a little too close for comfort. Wonder if we might see some new ICBM sites in cuba again.

How is it these F*cktards (Pardon my french) get into leadership positions? Let just hand them pistols, lock em in a room, and last man standing wins the war.
 
#20
The_Cad said:
If the SNP get rid of the Trident bases and Putin decides to target Scotland, will they they do then?
They'll do this:-

1 Emigrate to England
2 Develop lower back pain, depression, narcolepsy or some other 'disability' for which there is no diagnostic test.
3 Sign on for all available benefits.
4 Kick back and open a celebratory can of Special Brew.
 

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