Telegraph: Petrol prices break 140p/l barrier. 150p/l coming soon.

#1
Petrol breaks through 140p barrier to reach record high - Telegraph

The average price at the pumps has now reached 140.20p a litre, or £6.27 a gallon, with diesel at a new record of 146.72p, the AA said.

Petrol prices have now risen more than 2.75p a litre in just three weeks, while the cost was only 132.25p a litre at the beginning of the year.

The price of diesel at the start of 2012 stood at an average of 140.56p.

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"A figure of £1.40 a litre is a massive price for people to have to pay and there is no end in sight to rising prices. The way things are going the planned duty rise will see average petrol prices hit the £1.50-a-litre mark - forcing more and more people who need their cars off the road."
I've decided to get a diesel car. The only question is when. My current petrol car does an awful 28-31 mpg but it is worth about £300. It is a Japanese car with 40k miles on it so has a lot of life left in it.

An efficient diesel car (was looking at Vauxhall Corsa 1.3 CDTi) could do about 63 mpg (combined) and currently sells for about £2-3k, with mileages of about 80-100k miles.

Assuming an annual mileage of 20k miles, prices of diesel and petrol of 146.72p/l and 140.2p/l respectively, a 63mpg diesel car would cost £2124 to refuel but a 29mpg petrol car would cost £4452 to refuel.

The only things holding me back are:
1) I think the economy is going to get even worse. The price of used cars may drop further.
2) I know my £300 Japanese car is low maintenance. I have a mechanic friend who advised me not to touch European cars (except German ones) with a bargepole. Anyone know what Vauxhall Corsa 1.3 CDTi cars are like to run if bought at 80-100k miles?
3) Is it worth spending £2-3k extra to get a BMW 320 Cd car with 80-100k miles? These models are energy efficient too but I am told BMWs are expensive to maintain and parts are expensive.

All this is from talking informally with friends though. I haven't yet seen an authoritative head-to-head comparison of the true cost of running a second hand BMW 320 Cd vs. a Vauxhall Corsa 1.3 CDTi.

By the way what are the legal, tax and insurance implications of me putting a wood/producer gas generator on my car, and feeding hydrogen/carbon monoxide into the air intakes of the engine to try to improve fuel efficiency? :)
Low-tech Magazine: Wood gas vehicles: firewood in the fuel tank

 
#3
Current affairs? Perhaps a mod could move it. Do not touch Vauxhall they really are tripe.
I'd say its pretty Current as the price at the pumps keeps on rising putting the price of everything up (if its not happened now it will soon), forcing companies, especially hauliers, to the wall. Less motorists means less tax from several streams. I fear that it'll be a frosty day in hell before the Government realise that the price needs to come down or the country's going to grind to a halt.

Of course they could always put it up 3p in August because that'll help everyone.
 
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I have been running a Toyota Aygo since September and it easily beats the 63mpg you quote for a Corsa, also it is petrol and therefore approx 6 to 10 pence a litre cheaper to run,.
 
#6
Bugger.
Now I know why my latest purchase was such a 'deal'.
At least I have LPG fitted - which might help :(
 

Boldnotold

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Book Reviewer
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Have you thought of one of the hybrids? I'm driving one (three weeks in and still enjoying it). Mostly Japanese, very reliable. Mine is making me a relative stranger at the pumps, averaging 48 mpg in a 1.8 petrol engine.*

As to the price of petrol, between the world oil price, the Government trying to make us stop driving (without giving us decent public transport), the petrol companies wanting even bigger subsidies to go after the 'harder to get' oil, and the Treasury needing more for MPs new expenses, subisidising failed banks, and mega-expensive PFI initiatives, the only way is up! Just don't expect much of it to be spent on roads.


(And no real loss of performance, although I deny that it was me driving at that speed, officer. It does also have plenty of acceleration for A-road overtaking).
 

jarrod248

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Gallery Guru
#10
Have you thought of one of the hybrids? I'm driving one (three weeks in and still enjoying it). Mostly Japanese, very reliable. Mine is making me a relative stranger at the pumps, averaging 48 mpg in a 1.8 petrol engine.*

As to the price of petrol, between the world oil price, the Government trying to make us stop driving (without giving us decent public transport), the petrol companies wanting even bigger subsidies to go after the 'harder to get' oil, and the Treasury needing more for MPs new expenses, subisidising failed banks, and mega-expensive PFI initiatives, the only way is up! Just don't expect much of it to be spent on roads.


(And no real loss of performance, although I deny that it was me driving at that speed, officer. It does also have plenty of acceleration for A-road overtaking).
The hybrids tend to be very expensive to buy.
 

Mr_Fingerz

LE
Book Reviewer
#11
Re: Using gas as a road fuel the Gas (Road Fuel) Regulations 1972 would almost certainly come into play.

You would need to be authorised by HMRC (s4(1) Any person who intends to send out, set aside, or supply gas shall notify the Commissioners in such form and manner as they may require not less than 7 days before such gas is first sent out, set aside, or supplied)

You would also need to account for (and pay) the excise duty charged on the gas that you use as a road fuel. The current rate of duty would be £0.3304 per Kg.
 

Boldnotold

LE
Book Reviewer
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#15
Ok, that Lexus does look ok.

The Prius thing is a shit heap, AND every twat I see driving them in the centre of London cuts about with a daft half smug half 'I swallow swords' look on thier face. Not a fan.
Although I wish Range Rovers were as efficient.
 
#16
If really you want to be THAT cheap you should either go for a very new diesel (out of your budget, according to what you said) or a reasonably old one (as J suggested, runs on vegetable oil and anything else that burns/lubricates). I think the 48mpg claim for the hybrid says it all, you can do much better with a diesel. J hates Vauxhall / Opel, but the reality is that the older models keep going and going, there is no killing them. Petrol really isn't an option unless you go very recent where they have made some effort though they still guzzle about 30% more than the Diesel equivalent. Japs Diesel is way behind the curve in terms of consumption. Citroen presented the first Diesel/Hybrid, that ought to be a success once it produced en mass. Now Citroen even I would not go near, so forget that straight away. Think about all the small VW Diesels (Polo, Golf, Audi A3, Fox, Jetta/Vento etc). Stay away from the BMW's parts are a fortune and things will go wrong, possible exception of 116d(UK ?) &118d, that is a very good car indeed, but not cheap to run (service, maintenance).
 
#17
If they were cheap and fast I wouldn't care what I looked like.
Driving costs too much to be a vain bastard now. I remember my old man shitting himself when diesel went to £1 a litre. Now, that would be a lovely price.
 
#19
Luckily I cycle to work lots, otherwise my fuel bill would hurt. So I can have a thirsty motor - without being 'a vain bastard'.
****, Arrse has gone green.
Humous anyone????
 

jarrod248

LE
Gallery Guru
#20
If really you want to be THAT cheap you should either go for a very new diesel (out of your budget, according to what you said) or a reasonably old one (as J suggested, runs on vegetable oil and anything else that burns/lubricates). I think the 48mpg claim for the hybrid says it all, you can do much better with a diesel. J hates Vauxhall / Opel, but the reality is that the older models keep going and going, there is no killing them. Petrol really isn't an option unless you go very recent where they have made some effort though they still guzzle about 30% more than the Diesel equivalent. Japs Diesel is way behind the curve in terms of consumption. Citroen presented the first Diesel/Hybrid, that ought to be a success once it produced en mass. Now Citroen even I would not go near, so forget that straight away. Think about all the small VW Diesels (Polo, Golf, Audi A3, Fox, Jetta/Vento etc). Stay away from the BMW's parts are a fortune and things will go wrong, possible exception of 116d(UK ?) &118d, that is a very good car indeed, but not cheap to run (service, maintenance).
I'm chuffed to bits my boyfriends new company car will be a Toyota. The last three have been vauxhall and all were miserable uncomfortable things with lots of faults. The last good vauxhall was the 'Viva'.
 

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