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Teenage boys with behavioural difficulties

#1
Can they even suggest this ?! . . . . .

I thought we were led to believe that . . . .

- we are all created equal . . . .

- we are all the same . . . .

- there is no such thing as hereditary influences . . . .

- individuals with “problems” can be helped by throwing money at the problem, and ensuring that everyone obtains a “University degree” . . . of whatever standard . . . .


Whatever our individual opinions of professors and/or psychiatrists, it is suggested that “teenage boys with behavioural difficulties”, deserve the contempt and distain they inevitably bring upon themselves.

BBC Radio 4 “Today“ programme : Friday 1st April 2011 said:
0714 hrs
“Neuroscientists have found that teenage boys with behavioural difficulties have different brain structures to those that are well-behaved. Ian Goodyer, professor of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry at Cambridge explains the findings“.

. . . . detailed and sensible discussion on whether environment influences behaviour which in turn influences brain structures, and/or whether (hereditary) structure of brain causes development which leads to behavioural difficulties.

BBC News - Today - Today: Friday 1st April
It did (of course) cross my mind that the date of the broadcast, might have influenced the veracity of the subject matter discussed! However, having confirmed that there is a Professor Ian Goodyer MA MD FRCPsych FMedSci, it is suggested that he would not jeopardise his own career, or his Department’s reputation, by discussing the subject matter with other than the seriousness that it deserves.

Professor Ian Goodyer MA MD FRCPsych FMedSci – Profile
Professor of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry, University of Cambridge

» University of Cambridge Department of Psychiatry, Developmental Psychiatry Section
 
#3
I saw it as an article in a newspaper , I don't think two seperate news services would run the same april fools joke , would they ?

Supposedly its a small part of the left hand side of the brain isn't it ?
 
#7
I saw it as an article in a newspaper , I don't think two seperate news services would run the same april fools joke , would they ?

Supposedly its a small part of the left hand side of the brain isn't it ?
Correct, and that's why they need to be beaten savagely and frequently about the head in order to restore normal brain function.
 
#8
FFS that's all we need, another excuse to give them: "Can't 'elp bein' bad, it's me brain, innit guv?"

Unless as suggested above, it gives the rest of society the excuse to bash their brains in. Remedial training, if you will.
 
#9
Correct, and that's why they need to be beaten savagely and frequently about the head in order to restore normal brain function.
I was hoping A_M it would be a good excuse for conducting lobotomies on most of the council estate population in this country , Mind you im not going to complain if we just have to resort to hitting them with baseball bats.
 
#10
FFS that's all we need, another excuse to give them: "Can't 'elp bein' bad, it's me brain, innit guv?"
Agreed, but the corollary is "No you can't have this job because you have a feeble mind/arms like pipecleaners/eyes like pebbles. You are not qualified for this job."

It cuts out the "we're all equal" nonsense and allows, perhaps, inroads towards a meritocracy.
 
#11
Oyibo said:
Originally Posted by Grey_Mafia65

FFS that's all we need, another excuse to give them: "Can't 'elp bein' bad, it's me brain, innit guv?"
Agreed, but the corollary is "No you can't have this job because you have a feeble mind/arms like pipecleaners/eyes like pebbles. You are not qualified for this job."

It cuts out the "we're all equal" nonsense and allows, perhaps, inroads towards a meritocracy.
... if only - they'll have to be given a job so as the company/department/whatever has the correct quota of feebleminded/wimmin/gay/disabled/crackheads :roll:
 
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#12
how about we stop benefits completely and send all these ******* chavs on a "holiday camping trip" they dont know where those trips are though of course,nor do they know they wont be getting clean in the showers,replace them with pakistanis and polish people to spite the *******,as i have found that pols and pakis work alot harder than these inbred pieces of trash
 

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#14
Wait a minute. Just when did they stop calling 'teenage boys with behavioural difficulties' just plain 'teenage boy's? It's part of the design spec.
Exactly just like the irrationality bug in the female program or the "Emotional Issues Projector" that seems to be fitted as standard to all models.
 
#15
Didn't some researchers state the same about gays? They got shouted down, same for this lot, you have a dodgy brain? Away to the death pits with you.

Bring back phrenology says I, and gaol all people with joined up eyebrows, thieves and werewolves the lot of them.
 
#16
Ritalin, just take a look at how much is spent on that by the NHS now. Big Pharma = Big Bucks.

They had nothing like that when i were a kid in the 70's. Then again we didn't sit on fat arse's, no one had one, in bedrooms all alone playing bloody games.

We went out building tree houses, lorry carts, making catapults to put windows through. No, Ritalin wasn't needed then, no call for it.

Get the pent up energy out of them and they will sleep like babies at night and do the same the next day too. Young men need to channel their energy. They won't do that being mollycoddled. There's nothing wrong with their brain's.
 
#17
Reading some of the Mrs work stuff, there are theories that an increase in delinquency can be put down to the breakdown in the social fabric of our society. You know the stuff, single mothers, no male role models, no boundaries for the kids and no extended family to keep an eye on the little tykes. From what I remember, there is a very narrow window of opportunity to socialise kids. The theory is between 0 and 5 you have to instill all the civilised behaviours we expect because after 5 it's too late.

There were statistics (and I am going on memory here) to prove that the longer the under fives were neglected or felt unloved, the more likely they were to be delinquents. After five it was too late to program good behaviour into them because their social development seemed to be set constantly to "act a twat." We have all seen 5 year olds throw a strop and we usually deal with it in our own ways. With an extended family standing round and encouraging good behaviour and discouraging bad behaviour, it almost becomes hard wired into the kids to behave. Along comes puberty a few years later and chucks a spanner in the works temporarily but when the hormones have settled down a decent kid usually becomes a decent adult. If the proper socialisation hasn't taken place then the juvenile is unable to consider the consequences of their actions. They know nicking/fighting/vandalism/drugs etc are wrong but they can't comprehend that their behaviour will have negative consequences for them and they are utterly unable to control their rage no matter what they are threatened with.

It's not my theory but we have all seen people in our military careers who seemed hell bent on self destruction. Soldiers who knew the rules but couldn't bring themselves to follow them. Soldiers who make decisions that seem utterly insane and lead them to constantly into trouble.

My sister works with kids that have been taken into care. She gets to see the case notes and the back stories on the kids are horrendous, rape, incest, violence and abuse. She says the kids with the worst back stories are the worst behaved. They have a system of punishments and rewards to try and keep the kids well behaved. The kids will want something really badly, there is enough cash flowing round so they can usually have it if they wait a couple of weeks. A staff member will say you can have what you are asking for as long as you tidy your room/Don't drink/Eat with a knife and fork etc. Most of the kids will do their best to stick to the rules so they can what get they want but if one little thing goes wrong they will fail, they will attack staff, smash the place up and usually end up in the cells. When she talks to them afterwards, they are sorry but they seem to have no self control. Some of the kids are sweethearts 99% of the time but at the flick of a switch they will become monsters.

The one thing that my sister says that constantly amazes her about these kids is that given the mothers of these children are frequently evil beyond belief, every kid just wants to be with their mum. Even if the mum (in one case) handed the child over to the grandfather to abuse. Even if the mum makes it quite clear that they have no interest in the child, the child will sell his soul for his mothers approval. She tells me these stories and back stories and I want to go round to the homes of these witches and smash their faces in with a basesball bat. These kids never stood a chance and will never be productive members of society. They will generate further offspring of a similar kind because they have no experience of good parenting. It makes my teeth itch and my soul despair and there is sweet FA that I or the society around me can do about it.
 
#18
Good points, well made Gobbly.

I'm with A Worker, though. I was no angel as a kid (70's/early 80's) but you would just have called me 'naughty', and my friends too. There was one guy, though, who was a wee bit older than us, who kinda hung around on the peripherary of my peer group, and he was plain 'bad'. An only child, with nice parents who gave him anything he wanted.

He then beat up one of my friends (6 years old) pretty viciously. My friends older brother found out, and beat the living piss out of meladdo, finishing up by putting him in a metal bin.

I'm still convinced that changed the bad lad, as he's a nice bloke now, and still lives round here.
 
#19
Let's face it, bad behaviour isn't restricted to the economic underclass, even middle class kids go bad. I think some people are born bad and no matter what happens they will always be bad. Sauce doctor, you mention your mate was an only child who had everything he wanted, there lies the problem I think. China's one child policy has led to millions of only children who are spoilt rotten. China has recognised that it has an issue with brats and they call it little emporer syndrome. The thrashing your mate received was probably his wake up call.
 
#20
While some are undoubtedly just bad, others are sometimes unfairly labelled so. A family I know had 4 children. Their father, while outwardly a respectable chap, had a massive god complex, to the point that all his kids had the same initial as him. A rich man, too. This led the kids to believe that they were indestructible too. As a result, one has a mental illness due to massive drug use, one caught some horrendous STD that almost killed her, and the two boys are dead through drink. I found the younger lad dead when I went to give him a lift to work. The poor bastard was lying in a heap at the foot of his bed. All and sundry labelled him "bad", but, to me at least, he was never anything but kind, generous and thoughtful.
 

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