Ted Loden late 1 Para murdered

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RIP

You'd start to think that it is a targeting.
 
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RIP

You'd start to think that it is a targeting.
It clearly is targeted robbery, affluent housing where there will be (probably) decent kit that can be moved on relatively quickly. As for the sad fact that 2 retired Para offrs have been killed, coincidence. I'd still like to give the thieving ****s a ****ing good kicking though....
 
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Good old BBC overly dwelling on Bloody Sunday and a passing mention to his MC.

RIP.
Good old BBC if it were not the Bloody Sunday link it wouldn't have got a mention al all..............
 

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Good old BBC if it were not the Bloody Sunday link it wouldn't have got a mention al all..............
If that were the case they wouldn't have bothered reporting Parkinson's murder on which they had two articles. So stop tilting at windmills.

Two very unfortunate incidents, I wonder how this fits in with a general pattern of home invasion violent crime in Kenya are we seeing a rise in this particular crime?
 
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So guys settle in Kenya. Why not in the scheme of life.?

The danger with having a white face and even remotely being associated with wildlife conservation/protection raises a concern in the local area. To be factual, there's a likelihood these gents upset the area arrangement. It's not helpful in Kenya to be good at at what you do, in respect to a change in Governmant.
 
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If that were the case they wouldn't have bothered reporting Parkinson's murder on which they had two articles. So stop tilting at windmills.

Two very unfortunate incidents, I wonder how this fits in with a general pattern of home invasion violent crime in Kenya are we seeing a rise in this particular crime?
I don't recall back at the end of August the other murder getting prime time TV on that evenings 6.00pm news..

That said there probably is a nasty pattern emerging..
 
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Nairobi seemed quite a benign place to me. Always run the risk though I suppose.
 
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Nairobi seemed quite a benign place to me. Always run the risk though I suppose.
Get yourself out on the piss in The Sportsman's arms next time your in country. Benign isn't the word I would use for Kenya. Lovely place but would not live there, especially with the growth of Al Shabab.


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His son commanded A Coy, 3 PARA in Afghanistan 2006. He seemed a good commander. He wrote the outspoken email about the RAF as a whole, it went all the way to parliament.


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So guys settle in Kenya. Why not in the scheme of life.?

The danger with having a white face and even remotely being associated with wildlife conservation/protection raises a concern in the local area. To be factual, there's a likelihood these gents upset the area arrangement. It's not helpful in Kenya to be good at at what you do, in respect to a change in Governmant.
I don't recall back at the end of August the other murder getting prime time TV on that evenings 6.00pm news..

That said there probably is a nasty pattern emerging..
That's the concern, are these home invasion murders mainly targeting White Kenyans and Expats as they are seen as (i) An affluent easy touch, (ii) they are upsetting/showing up a rather corrupt equilibrium in region or (iii) are they a part of a wave of crimes that also affect similarly affluent Black Kenyans.

Understanding the motivations behind the crimes makes it easier to combat them, knowing the most likely targets means more can be done to protect them. Whatever they are it's deeply worrying.
 

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This is why people who grow up in Africa have big steel bars on their doors a and windows, a rottweiler called Fluffy and a loaded 12 gauge, 8 shot pump next to their bed.
 
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This is why people who grow up in Africa have big steel bars on their doors a and windows, a rottweiler called Fluffy and a loaded 12 gauge, 8 shot pump next to their bed.
Too true. I'm in what is almost certainly the most benign African location, Botswana, and still I've been burgled twice in five weeks. Unfortunately, handguns aren't allowed here, but a variety of other means of warning/defence are at hand. It can be tedious at times....
 
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Thats why Oscar Pistorious was armed to the teeth in Pretoria. There's no difference between RSA, Kenya and many other African countries when it comes to this sort of crime.
There should have been floodlights that came on automatically when any car or human came within 100 metres of the entry gates and a cleared area of that size so robbers had no hiding place.
Schaden has it spot on when he says those of us that grew up in Africa know the risks. Neither Colonel Loden nor his son appear to have had any idea of the dangers. The FCO appears reluctant, for whatever reasons, to state clearly the dangers faced in travel to and within Kenya.
 
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If I know Edward, he did. Ain't much use against 10 of them though. He was like government toilet paper. Took shit off no man (see earlier "autocratic" comment). Even without knowing his background in detail, he was clearly a no-nonsense kind of guy.
He was in a car in a strange land he clearly knew very little of. Basically he was a sitting duck. Even had he had a shotgun he couldn't have brought it onto the target quickly enough. His and his son's only knowledge of Kenya may have been gained on exercises in Kenya when they were both army officers. The robbers seem to have fired at random into the car or more likely in its general direction, he was simply unlucky. They want to steal an undamaged car and the valuables of the occupants, normally in Kenya they don't kill the occupants, its not RSA. Yet.
 

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