Technical question on the Lee-Enfield.

#1
A friend of mine is a gun nut and has a collection of pistols, muskets and modern weapons, all of which he fires from time to time. When the Revolution comes he doesn't know it but I'm having his AK47 off him like a shot.

Anyway he has recently managed to get a WW1 style Lee-Enfield which he loves but has a problem with reloading when he uses the charger. He reckons that it causes jamming as the rounds go in crooked if he loads them with the rims above each other like one does in a normal magazine. If he pushes the second round slightly ahead of the one below it seems to work but then the rounds get too far forward.

Question: Does anyone know if there is a trick to loading the charger or is he just a ham-fisted twat as I most technically suggested.

Thanks in advance lads.
 
#3
A friend of mine is a gun nut and has a collection of pistols, muskets and modern weapons, all of which he fires from time to time. When the Revolution comes he doesn't know it but I'm having his AK47 off him like a shot.

Anyway he has recently managed to get a WW1 style Lee-Enfield which he loves but has a problem with reloading when he uses the charger. He reckons that it causes jamming as the rounds go in crooked if he loads them with the rims above each other like one does in a normal magazine. If he pushes the second round slightly ahead of the one below it seems to work but then the rounds get too far forward.

Question: Does anyone know if there is a trick to loading the charger or is he just a ham-fisted twat as I most technically suggested.

Thanks in advance lads.

I seem to recall that when you load the charger you put the first round in flush to the rear of the charger. The next is placed next to the first round but the base is placed on top of the lip of the first, and so on so that the 5 rounds are staggered.
 
#4
Sounds like damaged magazine lips to me. With my LE's it doesn't seem to matter how the rims lie, either ahead or behind the cartridge below. The bolt just pushes the top round over the lower, no problem.
 
#5
do the rounds not self correct?
Apparently not.

I seem to recall that when you load the charger you put the first round in flush to the rear of the charger. The next is placed next to the first round but the base is placed on top of the lip of the first, and so on so that the 5 rounds are staggered.
I haven't seen what he does yet, but your point is what he seems to see as the answer and what we discussed. But he is talking about a ten round charger and the rounds just seem to be too far forward according to him.
Just thought I'd ask as someone here always knows.

Thanks lads.
 
#6
Dave the Ape is correct.

When loading the charger, 3 rounds have their base firmly to the rear while the two others sit on the lips of their adjacent rounds (so down, up, down, up, down).

You should then have no problems.
 
#7
Sounds like damaged magazine lips to me. With my LE's it doesn't seem to matter how the rims lie, either ahead or behind the cartridge below. The bolt just pushes the top round over the lower, no problem.
Useful point.
 
#8
Dave the Ape is correct.

When loading the charger, 3 rounds have their base firmly to the rear while the two others sit on the lips of their adjacent rounds (so down, up, down, up, down).

You should then have no problems.
That's what we are looking for then. Thanks a lot.
 
#9
When you fill a five round clip, three of the rounds are in contact with the base of the clip, call them numbers 1, 3 and 5 while the 2 rounds between these (2 and 4) are sitting up on the rims . Does that make sense?
-_-_-
 
#10
When you fill a five round clip, three of the rounds are in contact with the base of the clip, call them numbers 1, 3 and 5 while the 2 rounds between these (2 and 4) are sitting up on the rims . Does that make sense?
-_-_-
Perfectly. Thanks.

This is what impresses me about Arrse. The depth of knowledge, even when the Army has had the toy gun for a long time now, and before that God's own choice of rifle, and the weapon I am talking about hasn't been around for over half a century as a service rifle, and his version is even older. Yet within half an hour of posting I have received some serious and knowledgeable answers.
I thank one and all
 
#11
When you fill a five round clip, three of the rounds are in contact with the base of the clip, call them numbers 1, 3 and 5 while the 2 rounds between these (2 and 4) are sitting up on the rims . Does that make sense?
-_-_-
That is correct as I remember,think the phrase used was,'outside,in,outside,in,outside'.
 
#12
Dave the Ape is correct.

When loading the charger, 3 rounds have their base firmly to the rear while the two others sit on the lips of their adjacent rounds (so down, up, down, up, down).

You should then have no problems.
Thanks Dread - you explained it much better than my clumsy attempt!
 
#13
That is correct as I remember,think the phrase used was,'outside,in,outside,in,outside'.
My mate will like that, his english is very good despite having learned it in Yorkshire.

Thanks Dread - you explained it much better than my clumsy attempt!
Nope I understood you and I haven't had a beer.

Thanks again one and all.
 
#14
My mate will like that, his english is very good despite having learned it in Yorkshire.



Nope I understood you and I haven't had a beer.

Thanks again one and all.
Well,I learned mine in Liverpool,there's a thing?
 
#15
I seem to recall that when you load the charger you put the first round in flush to the rear of the charger. The next is placed next to the first round but the base is placed on top of the lip of the first, and so on so that the 5 rounds are staggered.
Bloody hell, that's how I remembered it from cadets. (Liverpool Collegiate CCF-with some sort of Scottish capbadge). That's a while back now.
 
#16
Bloody hell, that's how I remembered it from cadets. (Liverpool Collegiate CCF-with some sort of Scottish capbadge). That's a while back now.

Vivat Haec Sodalitas?
 
#17
While people are correct in saying that the manual says that the rounds should be staggered in the charger, I don't believe it matters. The layout made no sense to me so I once wiled away an hour trying to load rounds so that they jammed; I failed. Even if I put every round behind the one below it they sorted themselves out at they went into the magazine.

As near as I can figure the effect out it is that when a round snaps under the feed lips to slopes slightly upwards; the lips are horizontal and the rim is wider that the shoulder. This pushes the top of the rim against the back of the magazine and the bottom of the rim forward, in front of the rim below. The sideways movement, as it snaps under one of the feed lips, probably helps the round find the correct position.

So I fear that there is something wrong with your friends rifle.
 
#18
A 10 round charger ? I know the box magazine was 10 round capacity, but loaded from 5 round clips / chargers ?
 
#19
When I used the No4 with the CCF the loading for the five round chargers was

1{--- >
2 {--- >
3{--- >
4 {--- >
5{--- >

I never saw any ten round chargers though.
 
#20
If you put the rounds into the charger with overlapped rims, the rounds will lie to one side, and be loose in the charger. By loading the charger in the correct manner the rounds are held at right angle to the base and are tight and stable.

The "Mad Minute" fiends have been known to polish the inside of the chargers to get a faster load, although I always consider this to be tampering..

I would agree that if the rounds are not loading evenly, it is probably down to the magazine. Check that the lips are level and not bent in and that the spring is not weak or jammed. Also check that the magazine is fully engaged..
 

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