Thread Title- "RN being f* weak", I think it would be on topic to discuss how knowledge of RN history might benefit, so I shall continue if you would permit me. My comment was based on personal experience. Listen you cock, let's get things straight. Your initial post was insulting and offered nothing towards the thread, it was nothing more than an infantile attack against me. Most of your other posts appeared to agree with my premise and then in a desperate attempt to back paddle you resort to criticising the composition of my post. What the **** has that got to do with the debate? Absolutely nothing. It's just a straw man argument to try and restore your credibility. Take your ad-hominen arguments and stuff them up your arse you sad bastard. I've no desire to continue communicating with you because clearly you're incapable of engaging in an adult debate. I've got time for you Taff because you raise some appropriate points, I shall elaborate. I don't expect the average matelot to be able to recite all RN history from Alfred the Great up to GW2, but a basic understanding of the major events and major players should certainly be a part of their training, imho, as it may help with esprit de corps and service identity. The USMC are taught about Dan Daly, Chosin Reservoir, Chesty Puller and the basic history of their corps, why can't the RN do the same? What I'm about to say may make me appear like an antiquated twit, but I still believe that concepts such as 'honour' and 'duty' are important aspects to instil in the modern military, I don't know about the others, but personally my brief service was because I wanted to serve Queen and Country. Now if you were to take a trainee and teach them the basic history of events and then remind them that the whole glory of the service now lies on their shoulders, and that whenever they wear the uniform they are part of it, would that not give them a sense of pride and duty? Such an inheritance would improve their zeal. What's the point of ironing the uniform and polishing shoes in basic because some bloke in a funny hat says so? They should do it because they are proud, not because they fear extras. Major characters from history such as Nelson could also offer excellent examples of leadership and management. Fact often merges with fiction when it comes to the great men and Nelson was a liability as a junior officer until he went into action and became a natural predator. Crepello was right in his view that the RN suffered from leadership failures and bad decisions, especially in the inter-war years. But his myopic post completely overlooks what I was trying to say. Nelson was one of the few men, if not the only man in the 18thC to understand that good planning, communication, training and confidence in the man on the spot to adapt to the situation was the key to winning. This kind of leadership wasn't seen again until the Wehrmacht stormed over Europe in their 1940 Blitzkreig and now it comprises most modern military doctrines. Would this knowledge not be of benefit to the service? It would be the work of a moment to throw together a Powerpoint presentation or practical to explain, there's countless others too, Captain Walker, Admiral Cunningham, HMS Campbeltown etc. I hope this clears up what I was trying to address in my OP.