Taxi for Jack Straw...

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Jack Straw sued over illegal rendition of Abdel Hakim Belhadj - Telegraph

A Libyan military commander is suing the former Foreign Secretary Jack Straw over his alleged complicity in illegal rendition and torture....

The civil action, believed to be the first of its kind against such a senior ex minister, could lead to Mr Straw facing a criminal prosecution.
What a pity!

Bets on Straw pleading crown immunity and HM Government paying off the claimant with a non-disclosure clause?
 
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I believe that mr Straw has no recollection of ordering a taxi......
 
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Cue the reappearance of the sadly missed Public Interest Immunity Certificate.

A get out of jail card if there ever was.
PII Certificates are advisory and not binding - i.e. a judge can ignore them.

There really is no point in issuing one since surely the claimant can just run a repeat of Matrix-Churchill - i.e. get the responsible minister on oath and question him?
 
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Jack Straw sued over illegal rendition of Abdel Hakim Belhadj - Telegraph

What a pity!

Bets on Straw pleading crown immunity and HM Government paying off the claimant with a non-disclosure clause?
Yesterday, Mr Belhadj’s lawyers said they anticipated Mr Straw's response would mirror the Government solicitor's "neither confirm nor deny" reply to their previous letters of claim regarding Mr Belhadj.

They said they had sought a response from the MP for Blackburn by close of business on May 17 "following which proceedings may be issued against you without further notice". Mr Straw has not commented on the matter.

In an interview with BBC Radio 4 last year, he said the Labour government had been opposed to unlawful rendition.

"We were opposed to any use of torture or similar methods," he said. "Not only did we not agree with it, we were not complicit in it and nor did we turn a blind eye to it."

Former Prime Minister Tony Blair has said he has no memory of Mr Belhadj’s case and has claimed he was not aware of any occasion when his government breached its opposition to rendition.
Yeah, right :roll:
 
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Just goes to show what happens when you put you signature to things. One thing the septics have a much better grasp of than us is "plausible deniability," wher you can go round and roun in circles for ever, trying to work out who authorised what and who knew what.
 
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Just goes to show what happens when you put you signature to things. One thing the septics have a much better grasp of than us is "plausible deniability," wher you can go round and roun in circles for ever, trying to work out who authorised what and who knew what.
Dis-application of criminal law can only be authorised by Secretaries of State here though I think? So basically somebody in the cabinet has to put their signature down.

I'll be amazed if this ever gets anywhere near a criminal court. Although it was Straw who introduced criminal trials without the need for a jury!
 
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PII Certificates are advisory and not binding - i.e. a judge can ignore them.

There really is no point in issuing one since surely the claimant can just run a repeat of Matrix-Churchill - i.e. get the responsible minister on oath and question him?
Hmmm, we will see, good point though.......

Does anybody really think that one of our great and good political elite will ever tap the boards at the Bailey?

Moi a cynic.....non.
 
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Hmmm, we will see, good point though.......

Does anybody really think that one of our great and good political elite will ever tap the boards at the Bailey?

Moi a cynic.....non.
I note Chris Huhne's trial has been put back to October, when no doubt most people will have forgotten his name!

Of course Ken Clarke is going to use this as "evidence" as to why his secret trials are a good idea.
 
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Heh - I note Chris Huhne's trial has been put back to October, when no doubt most people will have forgotten his name!

Of course Ken Clarke is going to use this as "evidence" as to why his secret trials are a good idea.
I don't think Huhne will be forgotten, the media will make sure of that, especially News International I would hazard a guess.
Whether or not he will be found guilty or not might prove to be the biggest surprise, took a damnably long time to get charges laid in the first place. Preferential Treatment? You can bet your ARRSE it was.

As for Clarke, what a ******* disappointment, I used to think he was one of the OK ones.

(Just spotted the beast Harman on Sky news and I think I might vomit).
 

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Tony Blair's line that he cant remember was tried by Jack Straw initially. Until some chaps from MI6 turned up a few days later and asked if he remembered the documents they were showing him proving that he signed off the rendition (cant find a link I'm afraid). Let us hope the chaps have similar docs seen or signed by Blair.

This is worth watching if only for the slim chance Blair is hoisted before the beak due to this case or lying about the dodgy dossier and the murky death of Dr David Kelly. Not holding my breath but a slim chance is better than no chance at all.
 
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I don't think Huhne will be forgotten, the media will make sure of that, especially News International I would hazard a guess.
Whether or not he will be found guilty or not might prove to be the biggest surprise, took a damnably long time to get charges laid in the first place. Preferential Treatment? You can bet your ARRSE it was.

As for Clarke, what a ******* disappointment, I used to think he was one of the OK ones.

(Just spotted the beast Harman on Sky news and I think I might vomit).
Agree about Clarke - big surprise how bad he's turned out.

Harman is from another planet I am sure. It would be good to see Straw in the docks - I'd camp outside the court room to see that! Camp in a tent that is, not 'camp it up'.
 
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This is worth watching if only for the slim chance Blair is hoisted before the beak due to this case or lying about the dodgy dossier and the murky death of Dr David Kelly. Not holding my breath but a slim chance is better than no chance at all.
Has Blair ever been questioned under oath? That would be a delight.
 

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Has Blair ever been questioned under oath? That would be a delight.
He gave evidence at the Chilcot enquiry a year or so ago. He hypnotised them, then deflected to the current Iran threat. It was a master-class in sliding out from under. Hate him or hate him, he's good.

"David Cameron and former prime ministers Gordon Brown and Tony Blair are all preparing to appear before
the Leveson inquiry
from the end of May, according to reports this weekend."
Cameron, Blair and Brown to appear at Leveson inquiry, reports say | Media news | Journalism.co.uk

The slimy meets the toothless.
 
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Has Blair ever been questioned under oath? That would be a delight.
Not sure, I think he may have been questioned under caution over the honours corruption thing but slid away from any responsibility as is his wont.

If Straw gets the call to appear at No 1 Court maybe we could arrange an ARRSE City of London piss up.
 
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Tony Blair's line that he cant remember was tried by Jack Straw initially. Until some chaps from MI6 turned up a few days later and asked if he remembered the documents they were showing him proving that he signed off the rendition (cant find a link I'm afraid). Let us hope the chaps have similar docs seen or signed by Blair.

This is worth watching if only for the slim chance Blair is hoisted before the beak due to this case or lying about the dodgy dossier and the murky death of Dr David Kelly. Not holding my breath but a slim chance is better than no chance at all.
Ah yes, a very lawyerly answer from Bliar: ".....no memory of Mr Belhadj’s case....."

Perhaps he was sleepwalking at the time.

Perhaps someone might remind him. We shall see
 
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He gave evidence at the Chilcot enquiry a year or so ago. He hypnotised them, then deflected to the current Iran threat. It was a master-class in sliding out from under. Hate him or hate him, he's good.

The slimy meets the toothless.
Chilcot didn't lay a finger on him and I expect Leveson won't either.
 
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Not sure, I think he may have been questioned under caution over the honours corruption thing but slid away from any responsibility as is his wont.

If Straw gets the call to appear at No 1 Court maybe we could arrange an ARRSE City of London piss up.
Would they let us in pissed up?
 
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He gave evidence at the Chilcot enquiry a year or so ago. He hypnotised them, then deflected to the current Iran threat. It was a master-class in sliding out from under. Hate him or hate him, he's good.
Not under oath though IIRC, having just looked up BLIAR giving evidence under oath.
 
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Tony Blair's line that he cant remember was tried by Jack Straw initially. Until some chaps from MI6 turned up a few days later and asked if he remembered the documents they were showing him proving that he signed off the rendition (cant find a link I'm afraid). Let us hope the chaps have similar docs seen or signed by Blair.

This is worth watching if only for the slim chance Blair is hoisted before the beak due to this case or lying about the dodgy dossier and the murky death of Dr David Kelly. Not holding my breath but a slim chance is better than no chance at all.
Unlikely. Our Tone doesn't strike me as the type to have put his name to anything. Mr 'Sofa government' ran the whole thing on a verbal basis.

I think it would probably have been a case of "Will no one rid me of this turbulent Libyan?" and people rushed to obey, in a totally deniable sort of way. I'm surprised that Jack Straw was daft enough to put his name on anything.I thought he was a bit sharper than that.
 

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