Tax payers to pocket the expense of "vape kits" in Prison after nationwide ban on smoking...

Until April it seems the tax payer will be footing the bill but after that its upto those banged up. Not a bad call if you consider...

I've actually just grabbed a vape kit myself, certainly more cost effective, social, and affordable way of killing yourself.

I don't see why they don't just ban it up full stop in HMP establishments either way.

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More than £100,000 has been spent buying vaping kits for inmates in Scottish jails, it has emerged.

It follows a nationwide ban on smoking in prisons which came into force at the end of November.

The Scottish Prisoner Service has given out about 7,500 of the vaping kits.

It said it would make long-term savings through improvements to the health of staff and prisoners. However, campaigners have questioned whether this is good value for money.

About 72% of inmates smoke compared with 16% of Scots in the wider population.

Smoking banned in Scottish prisons
Prisoners to be offered free vaping kits

Responding to a Freedom of Information Request, the SPS said it expected the total cost of the vaping kit scheme to be about £150,000.
Image caption The kits cost about £14 and include a pen, charger and pack of three flavoured liquids

Each vaping kit supplied by the prison service - which includes a pen, a charger and a pack of three flavoured liquids - costs £14.

"It's a very positive step for the well-being of the people in our care and the people who work for us," said SPS spokesman Tom Fox.

"I think it's money well spent. The health benefits for our staff and those in our care greatly outweigh any initial cost we have introducing the programme."

The air quality in prisons has risen by an average of 80% since smoking was banned, according to the SPS.
Image caption The SPS says air quality in prisons has improved since smoking was banned

BBC Scotland spoke to some female inmates at HMP Edinburgh who said they were not in favour of the smoking ban, but that the vaping kits made it more bearable.

"There's not been a lot of trouble, or anything like that, since the smoking ban came in, which you would expect," said one prisoner.

"And that's down to the fact we have had the vapes."

Another added: "If we didn't have the vapes, there would have been all sorts of trouble."

However, the prisoners did raise the issue of the cost of refills.

"It's costing us more money and some lassies in here can't afford that," said one.
Image caption Campaigners have argued prisoners should still be allowed to smoke in designated areas

"But at the same time, it's a good thing for our health."

Simon Clark, director of pro-smoking pressure group Forest, said he believed the prison smoking ban went too far.

"At the very least, inmates should be allowed to light up outside, in an exercise yard or designated smoking area," he said.

"Vaping may satisfy some prisoners but for many people vaping is still no substitute for smoking.

"Why not offer e-cigarettes to those who want to quit and allow them to vape in their cells, but permit designated smoking areas for those who prefer to smoke?"
'Black market'

Pete White, chief executive of the charity Positive Prison? Positive Futures, which campaigns for the rights of prisoners, said a black market had already developed within Scottish prisons.

"There seems to have been quite a high take up of the vaping devices supplied by the SPS and, for some people, the ban represented an opportunity to give up smoking," he said.

"But there are reports that tempers seem to be a bit shorter for some and that the black market price of tobacco, papers and lighters has rocketed.

"A half-ounce of tobacco is now reported to be on sale for over £100, papers for £15 and lighters around £50."

Inmates will be expected to pay for their own vaping pens and liquids from April this year.
 
I presume the vapes contain nicotine? In Australia we are not allowed vapes which contain nicotine, whether inside or out.
 

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Image caption The kits cost about £14 and include a pen, charger and pack of three flavoured liquids
The biggest drama in English prisons with vaping has been the recharging, its a drama because they wont allow (or wouldn't) sockets in cells which could be used for recharging mobile phones. How has Scotland got around that problem?
Pete White, chief executive of the charity Positive Prison? Positive Futures, which campaigns for the rights of prisoners, said a black market had already developed within Scottish prisons.

"There seems to have been quite a high take up of the vaping devices supplied by the SPS and, for some people, the ban represented an opportunity to give up smoking," he said.

"But there are reports that tempers seem to be a bit shorter for some and that the black market price of tobacco, papers and lighters has rocketed.

"A half-ounce of tobacco is now reported to be on sale for over £100, papers for £15 and lighters around £50."
It started within days in English prisons, how thick did they have to be to not think about stockpiling?
The prisoners at my friends establishment are now so off their t1ts on spice that smoking tends to be forgotten. 8 ambulances called in a week to deal with prisoners freaking out and the prison medical staff (thats a laugh*) refusing to deal with them and calling an ambulance which denies the ambulance for use outside. The prisoners usually refuse treatment and the ambulance has wasted 2+ hours when it could have been doing the job the taxpayers expect of it!
* Ask @Jarrod about qualifications for the current crop of philipino HCA's masquerading as qualified nurses.
 
Why not install central recharging stations where the vapes can be recharged outside of the prisoner's cells? I managed to give up smoking cold, but if others can't do that, vaping seems a reasonable compromise to me, provided that the vapes contain nicotine.
 
My jail was the first "digital prison".
All prisoners, apologies, "men in our care" as they're now known, (& you wonder why the system is going t1ts up) are issued a laptop & have a phone in their cell.
Vaping kits, that the prisoner has to buy from the canteen, are charged via the laptop USB port.
What isn't normally mentioned in the MSM, is that instead of paper applications (requests for almost anything), menus etc are now done electronically with the laptop, so freeing up staff.
Phones in cells are only turned on at certain times & all numbers are vetted.
Staff & prisoners are big fans of the digital prison.

Smoking ban was brought in for staff (Sept 16) six months before prisoners.
Staff now only allowed to smoke tobacco in the staff car park on official breaks. It's also considered contraband so a disciplinary issue if caught trying to bring it in with regular stringent searches conducted. Prisoners visitors have to leave tobacco or vapes in the visits centre as do legal visitors.
Other visitors have to leave them in lockers at the gate.
Staff are only allowed to vape in designated "vaping areas" within the jail & again, only on their official breaks.
The smoking ban didnt cause anything like the problems we thought it would although for a time, stockpiling was a problem. At one time going for £300 an ounce.

Apologies for thread drift, but it probably gives a wider picture about smoking in jails, albeit in England & Wales.
 
Prisons should be healthy.

Healthy fare, water and no smoking.

A sort of maze running track could be installed to ensure prisoners get that 12,500 steps a day.
 
BBC Scotland spoke to some female inmates at HMP Edinburgh who said they were not in favour of the smoking ban, but that the vaping kits made it more bearable.


However, the prisoners did raise the issue of the cost of refills.

"It's costing us more money and some lassies in here can't afford that," said one.
Who gives a shit about the prisoners opinion?
 
The smoking ban didnt cause anything like the problems we thought it would although for a time, stockpiling was a problem. At one time going for £300 an ounce.
How much did you make?
 

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Who gives a shit about the prisoners opinion?
Sadly far too many legal representatives managed to get them something called human rights, meanwhile there are some decent ones in amongst the murdering scum but sadly rights are across the board and not earned.
 
Sadly far too many legal representatives managed to get them something called human rights, meanwhile there are some decent ones in amongst the murdering scum but sadly rights are across the board and not earned.
Its not a human right to smoke so **** them.
 
I take it that Prison Officers, who have had their personal liberty to choose to smoke taken away from them are also to get vaping kits free of charge too?

I'd have though that venerable institution called the POA would have been all over this as their members have been disadvantaged!
 
Give them 60 Capstan Full Strength a day.


When they come out they'll be too breathless to run away after committing their next crime.
That was my thought too. If prison authorities want to deal with prisoners’ health, you’d have thought illegal drugs would be a good start.
On the matter of supplying these vaping kits, it seems as though vapes might be almost as damaging to health as smoking: what are the possibilities of future litigation from prisoners who have been supplied with injurious materials by the state?
 
That was my thought too. If prison authorities want to deal with prisoners’ health, you’d have thought illegal drugs would be a good start.
On the matter of supplying these vaping kits, it seems as though vapes might be almost as damaging to health as smoking: what are the possibilities of future litigation from prisoners who have been supplied with injurious materials by the state?
Smoking shouldn't be part of human rights when it comes to detaining people for extended reasons for offending, the whole purpose of prison for most is "rehabilitation" by depriving those locked away from society of their freedoms as a punishment...
 

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