TASO scheme: rich pickings?

#1
Now that the TA are getting paid and the OTC are not, is this a possible opportunity to boost our Officer Corps via the TASO scheme?

msr
 

The_Duke

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#4
Irish_Cream said:
obviously.

though now we wont really have to try as hard.
"Become a TASO - Get paid and still shag everything!"
Why should it? TASO are still on the books of the OTC, but "sponsored" by the TA in terms of dress items, a few weekends and the odd coctail party.

To benefit from the budget, the OCdt has to transfer from the OTC to the TA, and becomes a TAPO, not sponsored.
 
#5
zenith69uk said:
I refer my learned friend to my previous answer!
Do you have a link? :)

msr
 
#6
The_Duke said:
Irish_Cream said:
obviously.

though now we wont really have to try as hard.
"Become a TASO - Get paid and still shag everything!"
Why should it? TASO are still on the books of the OTC, but "sponsored" by the TA in terms of dress items, a few weekends and the odd coctail party.

To benefit from the budget, the OCdt has to transfer from the OTC to the TA, and becomes a TAPO, not sponsored.
That is not my understanding... They can be on our books if they wish (to get paid ;) ) and train with the OTC.

msr
 

The_Duke

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#8
msr said:
The_Duke said:
Irish_Cream said:
obviously.

though now we wont really have to try as hard.
"Become a TASO - Get paid and still shag everything!"
Why should it? TASO are still on the books of the OTC, but "sponsored" by the TA in terms of dress items, a few weekends and the odd coctail party.

To benefit from the budget, the OCdt has to transfer from the OTC to the TA, and becomes a TAPO, not sponsored.
That is not my understanding... They can be on our books if they wish (to get paid ;) ) and train with the OTC.

msr
Correct, they can be - but as a TA soldier, training at the RTC as a potential officer and working their way through the various modules of the commissioning course. TASO remains on the books of the OTC.
 

Goatman

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#9
ouyin said:
Can I take it you've seen the new official buget and OTC's aren't getting paid?
Erm....quite......Da Yoof is in OTC......and he thinks he's still being paid......AFAIK OTC weren't affected by the latest gyrations ....but interested to know what the Official Line is......


Don Cabra
 
#10
ouyin said:
Can I take it you've seen the new official buget and OTC's aren't getting paid?
Can I take it you have missed the point of this thread?
 
#11
The_Duke said:
Irish_Cream said:
obviously.

though now we wont really have to try as hard.
"Become a TASO - Get paid and still shag everything!"
Why should it? TASO are still on the books of the OTC, but "sponsored" by the TA in terms of dress items, a few weekends and the odd coctail party.

To benefit from the budget, the OCdt has to transfer from the OTC to the TA, and becomes a TAPO, not sponsored.
TAPO/TASO are both paid by the TA. the PO only trains with the TA, the SO trains with both and is effectively a plant in the OTC IOT recruit more, and allows a more gently conversion from student alcho shagger to respectable responsible TA member with officer potential.

Duke - this is how it was 3 years ago anyway, and I havent heard it has changed!

Anyway, the point I was making was that the TA can offer the scheme of
- best of both worlds
- ensured you get paid
- but will the TA pay for what the SOs do with OTC, or just the TA trg? all down to a matter of MTDs and how nice the RAO is i suppose.

as such, the TA wont have to try as hard to recruit POs/SOs from the OTC because this deal is rather sexy (if indeed the OTC are no longer paying their cadets)
 

The_Duke

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#12
I_C,

It may have been how it worked three years ago, but it is not how it works now (at least not in the disctrict I am in). A TASO remains on the OTC books, but with a given allocation of MTDs from the OTC to be used on TA training. The nature and frequency of this TA training is controlled by the OTC.

It allows an OTC cadet to spend time with the unit that sponsors him/her and build up relationships with a potential future TA unit, but they remain firmly TACOM OTC and are mandated to continue attending OTC training.
 
#13
The_Duke said:
I_C,

It may have been how it worked three years ago, but it is not how it works now (at least not in the disctrict I am in). A TASO remains on the OTC books, but with a given allocation of MTDs from the OTC to be used on TA training. The nature and frequency of this TA training is controlled by the OTC.

It allows an OTC cadet to spend time with the unit that sponsors him/her and build up relationships with a potential future TA unit, but they remain firmly TACOM OTC and are mandated to continue attending OTC training.
hmm fair enough
sure isnt the whole scheme a bit of gentleman's agreement anyway, leaving the financial aspect to the RAO/PSAO? afterall cant MTDs be transferred and have the books cooked anyway?
When i TASO'd 3 years ago I was my regt's first and they didnt really know what it was all about...nor did the OTC haha!
 

cpunk

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#14
The_Duke said:
I_C,

It may have been how it worked three years ago, but it is not how it works now (at least not in the disctrict I am in). A TASO remains on the OTC books, but with a given allocation of MTDs from the OTC to be used on TA training. The nature and frequency of this TA training is controlled by the OTC.
Nope, in theory TASO's are/were paid from a separate budget line controlled by RF. It remains to be seen what will happen to them - or even if the scheme will continue - under the new funding dispensation. Currently, the only OTC OCdts that can expect to be paid prior to next April are Army Bursars, so get those AOSB applications in folks!

It's a slightly odd situation. TAPOs training through RTC's will continue to be paid as a priority (and would have been, even before the £20mill was reinstated) because apparently we have a desperate shortage of junior TA officers, yet the OTCs, which produce the overhelming majority of TA officers, have lost much of their funding.
 

The_Duke

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#15
cpunk said:
The_Duke said:
I_C,

It may have been how it worked three years ago, but it is not how it works now (at least not in the disctrict I am in). A TASO remains on the OTC books, but with a given allocation of MTDs from the OTC to be used on TA training. The nature and frequency of this TA training is controlled by the OTC.
Nope, in theory TASO's are/were paid from a separate budget line controlled by RF. It remains to be seen what will happen to them - or even if the scheme will continue - under the new funding dispensation. Currently, the only OTC OCdts that can expect to be paid prior to next April are Army Bursars, so get those AOSB applications in folks!

It's a slightly odd situation. TAPOs training through RTC's will continue to be paid as a priority (and would have been, even before the £20mill was reinstated) because apparently we have a desperate shortage of junior TA officers, yet the OTCs, which produce the overhelming majority of TA officers, have lost much of their funding.
cpunk,

You learn something new every day. Perhaps the CO of the OTC was using this budget, but he was certainly the one controlling the MTD allocation for OCdts.
 
#16
The_Duke said:
cpunk said:
The_Duke said:
I_C,

It may have been how it worked three years ago, but it is not how it works now (at least not in the disctrict I am in). A TASO remains on the OTC books, but with a given allocation of MTDs from the OTC to be used on TA training. The nature and frequency of this TA training is controlled by the OTC.
Nope, in theory TASO's are/were paid from a separate budget line controlled by RF. It remains to be seen what will happen to them - or even if the scheme will continue - under the new funding dispensation. Currently, the only OTC OCdts that can expect to be paid prior to next April are Army Bursars, so get those AOSB applications in folks!

It's a slightly odd situation. TAPOs training through RTC's will continue to be paid as a priority (and would have been, even before the £20mill was reinstated) because apparently we have a desperate shortage of junior TA officers, yet the OTCs, which produce the overhelming majority of TA officers, have lost much of their funding.
cpunk,

You learn something new every day. Perhaps the CO of the OTC was using this budget, but he was certainly the one controlling the MTD allocation for OCdts.
So, back to the thread :) Could we be on to a winner here?

msr
 

The_Duke

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#17
Possibly, possibly not. Having interviewed a fair number of potential TASOs recently, a significant proportion of them were of the "so what can you do for me" school of thought.

They wanted to stay at the OTC for the social side, but obtain bragging rights based on sponsorship and a few decent exercises with the TA. Very few seemed interested in commissioning into the TA. In fact, most of them were planning on using it as a "CV enhancer" for their regular commissioning plans.

Nothing wrong with that (one army, doncha know) and those of the required quality have been sponsored with a view to wider Regimental recruiting, but very little use in terms of TA officer recruiting. Will the possibility of a few extra quid over the next 5 months make a difference? I am not convinced.
 
#18
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Hmm, some confusion over TASO schemes. My view was that we paid TASO, s/he trained with OTC/RTC to get MOD1/2/3/ then commissioning course whilst having opportunity to come out on weekends with us and wear our capbadge/belt and TRF.

Issues were control of TASO, and chances of TASO then going off to other capbadge once commissioned, or indeed off to regular commission but always held the view that was for the common good so worth it!

My last TASO just got offered a job in America before commisioning so tangible ROI is nil but what is the intangible of having a good guy cutting about the OTC marketing my unit to his peers. That's the question about the TASO scheme in my eyes.
 
#19
The_Duke said:
Possibly, possibly not. Having interviewed a fair number of potential TASOs recently, a significant proportion of them were of the "so what can you do for me" school of thought.

They wanted to stay at the OTC for the social side, but obtain bragging rights based on sponsorship and a few decent exercises with the TA. Very few seemed interested in commissioning into the TA. In fact, most of them were planning on using it as a "CV enhancer" for their regular commissioning plans.

Nothing wrong with that (one army, doncha know) and those of the required quality have been sponsored with a view to wider Regimental recruiting, but very little use in terms of TA officer recruiting. Will the possibility of a few extra quid over the next 5 months make a difference? I am not convinced.
this has always been the case.
if the OTC could, they would now only recruit those who intend to comission but they obviously cant work like that. the TA should take on as many POs as possible IMHO but strike a deal of some sort to ensure they (the TA) get something from them (the OCdts), and ya know, if they dont comission its never a complete loss, you couldve simply have recruited internally to find that the private/bdr/sgt wasnt up for comissioning but fancied the extra weekends training...also - you more likely to get officers from external recruitment than you will from internally so you have to fork out the cash at some point!

but actually, that "school of thought" is what should be focussed on. why would someone from the OTC want to join the TA? The TA isnt doing anything wrong, its the OTC thats giving an impression of the armed forces that doesnt quite exist across the board. So, should the OTC change to be more like the TA? Or should the TA change to be more like the OTC? Preferably the former.

OTC will have to change its policy of cadets, for example, tell them - right you can stick with us for 2 years to get ready for sandhurst, then transfer to a local TA regt prior to comissioning course. go to course, come back with pip, get a troop in local TA unit

- OR - stay with us for 2 years then leave.

In scotland degrees are a year longer so these periods can be extended as such.

But its crucial to bear in mind:
Why would someone leave the OTC for the TA?

If youve never been in the OTC you will struggle to understand. Prob best to ask every officer in your regt, and youll probably find that most were OTC, how they dealt with the transtion from OTC to TA - was it after uni? during uni?
Those who transfer whilst still at uni are a rare case, and its usually because they got chucked out of OTC.
 
#20
Irish_Cream said:
But its crucial to bear in mind:
Why would someone leave the OTC for the TA?
Right now: money. Simple.

"Every man has his price"

msr
 
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