"Tasers can be Lethal" - Amnesty

#1
Amnesty are concerned that Tasers have the potemtial to kill and should be tightly controlled:

"We want an assurance from the Home Office and police chiefs that Tasers will only be issued to trained firearms officers and kept locked in the firearms box. Tasers could kill, so they must be treated as lethal weapons."

I agree - I'd rather see good old fashioned baton wielding any day to all this techno nonsense, no-one ever died from the robust application of a baton, and all the coppers have them - oh hang on.

Bring back the birch etc.
 
#2
LostBoss said:
Amnesty are concerned that Tasers have the potemtial to kill and should be tightly controlled:

"We want an assurance from the Home Office and police chiefs that Tasers will only be issued to trained firearms officers and kept locked in the firearms box. Tasers could kill, so they must be treated as lethal weapons."

I agree - I'd rather see good old fashioned baton wielding any day to all this techno nonsense, no-one ever died from the robust application of a baton, and all the coppers have them - oh hang on.

Bring back the birch etc.
How can you kill anyone with something locked "in the firearms box"?.My locked"firearms box" is most inconvenient when I have Jehovah's Witnesses/Mormons/Door to door sales scum///tarmac purveyors and the like on my doorstep :twisted:.Perhaps I should move my shilleaghlee collection to a more accessible position :lol:
 
#3
A trunchon around the head can be lethal. Pulling someone roughly to the floor on concrete can be lethal. Arresting someone with a heart condition can be lethal. Driving them back to the station can be lethal. Sitting still on an airliner for 9 hours can be lethal!

Life can be lethal.

They are being arrested for something, or having been suspected of something. If they are thinking about resisting arrest, they should be ready at the very least for it to hurt. It does, even just practicing it.

Why is it that as soon as our police officers get a 'non-lethal' method of arresting an dangerous criminal with as little risk to themselves and the rest of the public it's met with screams of 'unfair'! from AI?

They would rather see firearms used in life or death situations with inevitable fatalities so they can tell us all how unfair and represive the police are and keep themselves in a job. Or is that just me being a bit cynical?
 
#4
galgenberg said:
How can you kill anyone with something locked "in the firearms box"?.My locked"firearms box" is most inconvenient when I have Jehovah's Witnesses/Mormons/Door to door sales scum///tarmac purveyors and the like on my doorstep Twisted Evil.Perhaps I should move my shilleaghlee collection to a more accessible position Laughing
I have a Zulu knobkeri I got in south africa for that. Now that can be lethal, and the beauty of it is..... it really does only look like a walking stick :)
 
#5
From a media release:


November 30, 2004





FORCE WELCOMES EXTENDED NATIONAL USE OF TASER



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Following a detailed evaluation of a 12-month operational trial of the Taser, which was carried out by five Police Forces, the Home Secretary David Blunkett has agreed that firearms officers in forces nationwide can now use the hand-held electrical weapon.



"The Police Service nationally is constantly seeking less lethal options to resolve dangerous situations safely and without injury to any person, and the Taser provides officers with another tool whose use may be more appropriate than a conventional firearm in certain circumstances.


"Taser ultimately reduces the risk to officers, offenders and members of the public because it can be fired from a distance and is an alternative to a firearm.


"Where Taser has been deployed it has invariably helped bring a situation to a safe and positive end. It has a strong visual deterrent and has been highly effective in de-escalating potentially violent situations relatively quickly and easily.


"The British police service sought to trial Taser because it is an option that advances human rights. Its use may be more proportionate than the use of a firearm in certain circumstances and gives officers the opportunity to incapacitate and temporarily overpower, rather than lethally injure someone.


"The extension of its use is certainly a positive development, giving all firearms officers a less lethal option to conventional firearms. Ultimately it can only further improve public safety."


The M26 Advanced Taser is a single shot device designed to incapacitate the subject through the use of an electrical current, rather than lethally injure. The parameters of the trial allowed the Taser to be used by trained specialist firearms officers in circumstances where they are authorised to draw weapons and those conditions will continue now with its extended use countrywide.


During the year-long trial which ended in April 2004, the Taser was deployed alongside conventional firearms in a total of 60 situations where people were either armed or thought to pose such a threat that the use of a firearm by a police officer may have been necessary.


One of the most striking findings of the trial was the deterrent effect of the weapon – although it was deployed in 60 incidents and aimed in 40 of these incidents, it was only actually fired 13 times during the year: in the majority of cases its presence alone was sufficient to make the person who had posed a threat comply with police demands and allow the event to be brought to a peaceful conclusion.


The Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) worked closely with the Home Office and the Police Complaints Authority on the trial.


The five forces that took part in the trial were: Lincolnshire Police; the Metropolitan Police; Northamptonshire Police; North Wales Police and Thames Valley Police.


All officers who used Taser during the trial completed a questionnaire following every deployment and this, together with a public opinion survey, assisted Pricewaterhouse Coopers with their independent evaluation of the trial on behalf of ACPO.


The evaluation looked how successfully Taser was used as a supplementary option to other deployment methods, including firearms, dogs, baton rounds and irritant spray. It concluded the Taser has a number of benefits, both operationally for police officers and in terms of enhanced public safety.


In a public opinion survey carried out following the trial, where 1,164 people were interviewed, 90 per cent of respondents thought that firearms officers and specially-trained officers should be allowed to use Taser.


The Taser technology has been tested by the Police Scientific Development Branch and a medical assessment has been carried out by the Defence Science and Technology Laboratory.

ENDS
The "bold" is my emphasis ....
 
#6
Every cop should have one and if it's used daily, crime/vandalism/neds/chavs will soon disappear. Does the AI spokesman look anything like a fig 11????
 
#7
AI may like to look at the lethality of:-

- illegally held firearms

- illegally held knives

- illegal drugs

- binge drinking

- the islamic 'honour' code

Or am I forgetting that their aim is only to criticise the authorities?
 
#8
ViroBono said:
AI may like to look at the lethality of:-

- illegally held firearms

- illegally held knives

- illegal drugs

- binge drinking

- the islamic 'honour' code

Or am I forgetting that their aim is only to criticise the authorities?
What the hell are you doing using logic in an argument VB? Stop it now before you make AI cry!
 
#9
If I was looking down the barrell of Police 9mm I'd be thinking

"He'll only shoot if I'm a risk to life"

If I'm looking at a crackling Taser I'd think

"He'll have me breakdancing in seconds just for fun of it"

- I'd moderate my behaviour accordingly.

More of it, that's what I say.
 
#11
If you join the armed forces you have a medical to make sure you are up to it. The same applies if you join the police or fire service.

If you decide to take up skydiving, scuba diving or want to learn to fly, you have to get a check up to make sure that the stresses and strains of these persuits aren't going to be too much for you.

If you are going to follow a life of crime, decide to be so threatening and have to be arested by the police, is it practical for you first to visit your doctor and get a chit stating that you are 'Taser fit' and hand that to the arresting officer before he wacks you with 50,000 volts? Or should anyone who gets themselves in a position to be classed as dangerous and a threat to a police officer or the public forefit their rights until they are handcuffed and in the wagon?

I think you'll find that the second option is the most practical and workable, and even gives the least chance of the person being arrested ending up on a mortuary slab. What's to complain about?
 
#12
I'm with you, it appears that the legislation surrounding "safety at work" for the Criminal workforce is loose in this respect. As we have seen the law has already moved to protect Criminals at work in other peoples houses but allows unfit and vulnerable criminals to be put in harms way through the issuing of Police with Tasers.

I suggest that that a full induction be carried out and the criminal is signed off as "fit for shocking" before being allowed to practice in the community.

I'd feel a lot happier knowing that my would be assailant is up to the job and will come to no lasting harm when I throw him down the stairs, twice.
 
#13
Plant-Pilot said:
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I have a Zulu knobkeri I got in south africa
Be careful, when I got a Knobkeri off some Zulu I had to take lots of tablets, stay off booze and bite a bullet every time I had a slash :wink:
 
#15
Tasers can be lethal, yeah and so can a car. Tasers dont kill people, cars dont kill people, guns are perfectly innocent aswell. the feckers who use them are the problem.

Now then if I lost the plot and decided to go on a killing spree, i wouldnt use a taser, and its a bit dificult to get hold of a gun. A car is to easy to trace.

There are many things to use in the average home that are just or if not more lethal than any taser.
I could name them and their uses but id be locked up for my own good.
:twisted:

SK
 
#16
OldRedCap said:
Armourer wrote
when I got a Knobkeri off some Zulu
I thought those girls in Mombasa were Kenyan?
I was sort of ...well...somewhat south of Kenya....you know how it is take a compass bearing on a cloud.....
 
#17
I thought the idea of tasers was that it gave the Police a non-lethal option. Perhaps it's not as non-lethal as we'd like but are there any better alternatives? Maybe AI would be happy if they shot the b*stard criminals instead every time a taser was used. Even the blokes that have suffered heart attacks due to tasers being used probably preferred that to being on the receiving end of flying metal.

They do have a fair point though if what they say about using tasers to restrain mental patients and what US police forces have done is true. Wouldn't surprise me - I've seen them in action. :)
 
#18
I would like to agree with two of the outstanding comments on the board
Life can be leathal.
Yes it is and it's time this PC society understood this, there never was and never will be any rhyme or reason as to why some died and others live it's Life, it just happens.
Bring back the birch.
How true, Brutal uncivilized and very un PC. Now't wrong with a spot of humiliation which Birching surely gives, the Chavs best friend.
I never heard of anyone getting the Birtch for a second time when the Isle of Man had such enlightened policies.
john
 
#19
As long as each use of tasers are govened by a roe .(which unfortunatly wont be he was wearing a burberry baseball cap so he deserved it) I dont think AI have a case the nutter with the samurai sword who got shot would probably peffered the taser to a 9mm
cs gas didnt stop him .
plastic bullets are not safe at short ranges so tasers area good police weapon.
As long as unlike a yank cop is being sued as she pulled a 9mm
pistol instead of a taser and killed a drunk :lol: taser are being sued
as their training dosent include check you have a taser pistol in your hand 8O
 
#20
I think AI are concerned that the police will follow the yank police rules and taser everything that moves.
Some people think the police should not even use harsh languague.
Although you laugh at the mistaking a taser for a pistol if there both kept in holsters on the same side and you need to pull one in a hurry!
personally coppers ,community support officers, teachers,traffic wardens and people who work in benefit offices should be issued with them.
a chav with 200000 volts flowing through them is a chav who's learned a valuable lesson
 
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