Targeted killing, American-style


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During Abu Ghraib scandal, "Israel's tactics" were the main smokescreen behind the attempt to scapegoating Israel for the perversive actions of American soldiers. Surely Zarqawi's successful "targeting assassination" needs the same credit.

After the second intifada broke out in September 2000, Israel dramatically stepped up its targeting of Palestinian terrorists, killing more than 200 of them. This campaign worked. Targeted killings — combined with the border security barrier, military operations and improved intelligence — reduced Israeli deaths from a high of 172 in 2002 to less than 40 in 2005.

Even more telling, this decline in deaths occurred during periods when the number of attempted attacks by Hamas increased, suggesting that the organization became less capable even though its hatred did not diminish.

The targeted killing campaign also bolstered Israeli morale. In the last five years, Israel has lost more than 1,000 people to terrorism. No government can remain idle as its citizens are slaughtered, and, in a grim fashion, the killings of terrorists created a sense among the Israeli public that its government was striking back and protecting them.

U.S. employs Israeli tactics in Iraq
by | The Associated Press | Dec. 13, 2003
JERUSALEM - In fighting insurgents in Iraq, the United States is drawing on some of Israel’s methods and experiences in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, including running checkpoints and tracking militants with drone aircraft, Israeli officials say.

Israeli and U.S. security experts have met repeatedly in recent months to discuss urban warfare and Israel’s lessons from its grueling three-year fight against Palestinian militants.

In public comments, Israeli and U.S. officials acknowledge “strategic cooperation” and confirm high-level meetings, the most recent one last week in Tel Aviv. However, they play down the contacts as routine, apparently for fear the Arab world will be outraged.

Recent U.S. methods in Iraq increasingly mimic those Israel uses in the West Bank and Gaza — setting up impromptu checkpoints, keeping militants on the defensive with frequent arrest raids and, in at least one case, encircling a village and distributing travel permits.

Israel briefs U.S. on use of drones
An Israeli security official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Israel has briefed the U.S. military on its frequent use of drones, or unmanned reconnaissance aircraft, which allow officers at Israeli military headquarters to watch operations in real time.

Israel uses drones to monitor targeted killings, often helicopter missile attacks on fugitives’ cars. Israel has killed at least 117 terror suspects and 88 bystanders in targeted attacks.

The Israeli security official said Israel has taught the U.S. military how to make use of intelligence information within minutes to attack a moving target. The U.S. military has not formally adopted targeted killings, though some wanted Iraqis have been killed in arrest raids.

A U.S. Army officer, speaking on condition of anonymity, said U.S. troops try to stay clear of methods that look like collective punishment. Israel routinely demolishes the family homes of Palestinian attackers in hopes of deterring future attacks.

The British newspaper The Guardian recently reported Israeli advisers are training U.S. soldiers at Fort Bragg, N.C.

Lt. Col. Hans Bush, of the U.S. Army’s Special Operations Command, said there are no Israeli forces “currently teaching Army Special Operations Command forces at Fort Bragg.”

Last week, a large delegation from the Army Training and Doctrine Command in Fort Monroe, Va., visited Israel. Harvey Perritt, the command’s civilian spokesman, said the meeting was routine, but would not elaborate.

The Israeli army said in a statement it does not comment on “ongoing strategic cooperation between the U.S. and the Israeli military.”

But military officials close to the sides, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the meetings focused on lessons learned from Israel’s fighting in the West Bank and Gaza and how to adapt them to Iraq.

Israel also gave the United States a training video for troops to illustrate an 11-point code on treating civilians, the rights of international relief groups and other issues “very tied into...the daily dilemmas” of urban warfare, said Lt. Col. Amos Guiora, commander of the Israeli army’s school of military law. The Israeli military recently began showing the video to its troops, amid persistent Palestinian complaints of mistreatment by soldiers.

Checkpoint doctrine
Israel has an entire doctrine on operating checkpoints: how many soldiers are needed for different types of blockades and how to differentiate between civilians and militants, said Eitan Ben-Eliahu, a former Israeli air force commander.

“These are details that only people who were involved in it for many years can know, and other armies, like the U.S. military, haven’t had ... enough experience,” he said.

Urban warfare is different from conventional fighting in every way, Ben-Eliahu said. Soldiers are often confronted with face-to-face battles against an enemy willing to commit suicide. And soldiers have to avoid killing civilians who mingle, knowingly or not, among militants, he said.

An Israeli security source said American officers have visited a mock-up of an Arab town used for Israeli training. Earlier this year, Israeli and American troops held joint exercises in Israel’s Negev Desert, focusing on air defenses.

Brig. Gen. Michael Vane, deputy chief of staff at the U.S. Army’s Training and Doctrine Command, acknowledged in a letter to Army Magazine in July that “we recently traveled to Israel to glean lessons learned from their counter-terrorist operations in urban areas.”

Israeli expert predicts U.S. defeat
Martin Van Creveld, an Israeli military expert, warned that just as Israel has been unsuccessful in eliminating militant groups and suicide bombers, the United States cannot expect to be victorious in Iraq.

Van Creveld traveled to Camp Lejeune, N.C., last year to lecture U.S. military officials on the door-to-door fighting that took place in April 2002 in the West Bank refugee camp of Jenin. Twenty-three Israeli soldiers and 52 Palestinians were killed in the battle.

“They are already doing things that we have been doing for years to no avail, like demolishing buildings ... like closing off villages in barbed wire,” Van Creveld said. “The Americans are coming here to try to mimic all kinds of techniques, but it’s not going to do them any good.”

In Iraq, the Americans have a more difficult task than Israel’s in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, Van Creveld said. Iraq is larger, the borders are open and there is almost unlimited access to arms.

“I don’t see how on earth they (the U.S.) can win. I think this is going to end the same way Vietnam did,” Van Creveld said. “They are going to flee the country hanging on the strings of helicopters,” he added, referring to the 1973 U.S. departure from Saigon.

© 2003 The Associated Press. All rights reserved

Will the counter-insurgency plan in Iraq repeat the mistakes of Vietnam?
Issue of 2003-12-15
Posted 2003-12-08

The Bush Administration has authorized a major escalation of the Special Forces covert war in Iraq. In interviews over the past month, American officials and former officials said that the main target was a hard-core group of Baathists who are believed to be behind much of the underground insurgency against the soldiers of the United States and its allies. A new Special Forces group, designated Task Force 121, has been assembled from Army Delta Force members, Navy seals, and C.I.A. paramilitary operatives, with many additional personnel ordered to report by January. Its highest priority is the neutralization of the Baathist insurgents, by capture or assassination.

The revitalized Special Forces mission is a policy victory for Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, who has struggled for two years to get the military leadership to accept the strategy of what he calls “Manhunts”—a phrase that he has used both publicly and in internal Pentagon communications. Rumsfeld has had to change much of the Pentagon’s leadership to get his way. “Knocking off two regimes allows us to do extraordinary things,” a Pentagon adviser told me, referring to Afghanistan and Iraq.

One step the Pentagon took was to seek active and secret help in the war against the Iraqi insurgency from Israel, America’s closest ally in the Middle East. According to American and Israeli military and intelligence officials, Israeli commandos and intelligence units have been working closely with their American counterparts at the Special Forces training base at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, and in Israel to help them prepare for operations in Iraq. Israeli commandos are expected to serve as ad-hoc advisers—again, in secret—when full-field operations begin. (Neither the Pentagon nor Israeli diplomats would comment. “No one wants to talk about this,” an Israeli official told me. “It’s incendiary. Both governments have decided at the highest level that it is in their interests to keep a low profile on U.S.-Israeli coöperation” on Iraq.) The critical issue, American and Israeli officials agree, is intelligence. There is much debate about whether targeting a large number of individuals is a practical—or politically effective—way to bring about stability in Iraq, especially given the frequent failure of American forces to obtain consistent and reliable information there.

The American-Israeli liaison on Iraq amounts to a tutorial on how to dismantle an insurgency. One former Israeli military-intelligence officer summarized the core lesson this way: “How to do targeted killing, which is very relevant to the success of the war, and what the United States is going to have to do.” He told me that the Americans were being urged to emulate the Israeli Army’s small commando units, known as Mist’aravim, which operate undercover inside the West Bank and Gaza Strip. “They can approach a house and pounce,” the former officer said. In the Israeli view, he added, the Special Forces units must learn “how to maintain a network of informants.” Such a network, he said, has made it possible for Israel to penetrate the West Bank and Gaza Strip organizations controlled by groups such as Hamas, and to assassinate or capture potential suicide bombers along with many of the people who recruit and train them.

On the other hand, the former officer said, “Israel has, in many ways, been too successful, and has killed or captured so many mid-ranking facilitators on the operational level in the West Bank that Hamas now consists largely of isolated cells that carry out terrorist attacks against Israel on their own.” He went on, “There is no central control over many of the suicide bombers. We’re trying to tell the Americans that they don’t want to eliminate the center. The key is not to have freelancers out there.”,2763,1102940,00.html

Israel trains US assassination squads in Iraq

Julian Borger in Washington
Tuesday December 9, 2003


Israeli advisers are helping train US special forces in aggressive counter-insurgency operations in Iraq, including the use of assassination squads against guerrilla leaders, US intelligence and military sources said yesterday.
The Israeli Defence Force (IDF) has sent urban warfare specialists to Fort Bragg in North Carolina, the home of US special forces, and according to two sources, Israeli military "consultants" have also visited Iraq.

US forces in Iraq's Sunni triangle have already begun to use tactics that echo Israeli operations in the occupied territories, sealing off centres of resistance with razor wire and razing buildings from where attacks have been launched against US troops.

But the secret war in Iraq is about to get much tougher, in the hope of suppressing the Ba'athist-led insurgency ahead of next November's presidential elections.

US special forces teams are already behind the lines inside Syria attempting to kill foreign jihadists before they cross the border, and a group focused on the "neutralisation" of guerrilla leaders is being set up, according to sources familiar with the operations.

"This is basically an assassination programme. That is what is being conceptualised here. This is a hunter-killer team," said a former senior US intelligence official, who added that he feared the new tactics and enhanced cooperation with Israel would only inflame a volatile situation in the Middle East.

"It is bonkers, insane. Here we are - we're already being compared to Sharon in the Arab world, and we've just confirmed it by bringing in the Israelis and setting up assassination teams."

"They are being trained by Israelis in Fort Bragg," a well-informed intelligence source in Washington said.

"Some Israelis went to Iraq as well, not to do training, but for providing consultations."

The consultants' visit to Iraq was confirmed by another US source who was in contact with American officials there.

The Pentagon did not return calls seeking comment, but a military planner, Brigadier General Michael Vane, mentioned the cooperation with Israel in a letter to Army magazine in July about the Iraq counter-insurgency campaign.

"We recently travelled to Israel to glean lessons learned from their counterterrorist operations in urban areas," wrote General Vane, deputy chief of staff at the army's training and doctrine command.

An Israeli official said the IDF regularly shared its experience in the West Bank and Gaza with the US armed forces, but said he could not comment about cooperation in Iraq.

"When we do activities, the US military attaches in Tel Aviv are interested. I assume it's the same as the British. That's the way allies work. The special forces come to our people and say, do debrief on an operation we have done," the official said.

"Does it affect Iraq? It's not in our interest or the American interest or in anyone's interest to go into that. It would just fit in with jihadist prejudices."

Colonel Ralph Peters, a former army intelligence officer and a critic of Pentagon policy in Iraq, said yesterday there was nothing wrong with learning lessons wherever possible.

"When we turn to anyone for insights, it doesn't mean we blindly accept it," Col Peters said. "But I think what you're seeing is a new realism. The American tendency is to try to win all the hearts and minds. In Iraq, there are just some hearts and minds you can't win. Within the bounds of human rights, if you do make an example of certain villages it gets the attention of the others, and attacks have gone down in the area."

The new counter-insurgency unit made up of elite troops being put together in the Pentagon is called Task Force 121, New Yorker magazine reported in yesterday's edition.

One of the planners behind the offensive is a highly controversial figure, whose role is likely to inflame Muslim opinion: Lieutenant General William "Jerry" Boykin.

In October, there were calls for his resignation after he told a church congregation in Oregon that the US was at war with Satan, who "wants to destroy us as a Christian army".

"He's been promoted a rank above his abilities," he said. "Some generals are pretty good on battlefield but are disastrous nearer the source of power."
Killing selected 'Individuals' seems like a good policy to me. Just hope they can avoid killing innocents around them.
I understand in yesterdays killing of 'al Quada's man in Iraq' that a woman and child where also killed, very bad news.
In a remote location ould SF not have been emplyed ?
Rumsfeld loves the airforce and its special missiles too much...


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Taz_786 said:
Brig Gen Janet Karpinksi testified to the presence of Israelis involved in the interrogation of Abu Ghraib prison suspects.
Could be, so? They were there just as she was there, this are not the israeli tactics for intoregation, ask any Palestinian. When the first publication of Abu Ghraib published Ze'ev Schiff ( Israel's Liddell Hart ) lauds the "professional disparity in Israel's favor". Indeed, this is how it seems through Arab eyes

On Haaretz, March 8, 2004

This is what columnist Ahmed Ramrabi in the Qatar newspaper Al-Watan had to say about the prisoner exchange deal between Israel and Hezbollah: "One of my colleagues drew my attention to the Lebanese and Palestinian citizens who returned to Beirut and to Ramallah, and to the fact that their faces radiated health, as though they returned from vacations in Europe. The moral of the story is clear: Prisons in Israel are better than those in the Arab world. My colleague told me that had these people left Arab jails, they would have looked like skeletons. Not to mention those who never get out of such prisons alive."

June 2, 2004

The occupation will corrupt the occupiers
By Ze'ev Schiff

The abuse of prisoners detained at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq
proves that it matters not if the occupier declares its aim to enforce
democracy or uphold human rights, or if it calls itself an
"enlightened occupation" - the degradation of prisoners is an almost
unavoidable consequence of an occupation regime. In the end, the
occupation will corrupt the occupiers.
Israel's name has found its way into the wave of self-criticism now
rolling over the U.S. Some critics are even alleging the Americans
learned their interrogation techniques from Israel. However, there is
a unique aspect to the American experience. The American corruption,
as expressed in the sadistic degradation of prisoners, occurred only
shortly after the occupation began. None of the reported instances of
abuse occurred during interrogation, nor were they committed by
interrogators. The acts of degradation bore a decidedly pathological
character, and included the active participation of women. Another
curious aspect is the tendency of the Americans to document their acts
on film.

At one stage, the higher echelons at the Pentagon knew something
serious was going on at the Iraqi prison, but this was not reported to
Congress and not addressed forcefully. In one case, Defense Secretary
Donald Rumsfeld appeared before a congressional committee, but did not
bother to say that an investigation into the matter was underway. The
story broke a few days later. American public figures are repeatedly
saying the incidents are uncharacteristic of American behavior, but
the fact remains that Americans committed the acts. It is disturbing
to hear Arabs from undemocratic states saying that by their actions,
the Americans have brought dishonor on the concept of democracy.

Israel has had experience with maltreatment of prisoners, too. Every
so often, complaints are voiced about military policemen or others in
the defense establishment who, in the course of escorting prisoners,
beat them - not during the interrogation, but after the arrest. The
occupation and the domination of Palestinians' lives have been going
on since 1967.

Maltreatment of prisoners during their interrogation did not occur
right away, and it took time until it became clear that a negative
phenomenon was developing. The abuse generally consisted of sleep
deprivation or placing a sack over the interrogation subject's head.
Criticism of these acts was periodically leveled by the state
prosecution, judges or politicians, for example, by former Justice
Meir Shamgar or then-defense minister Moshe Dayan.

Justified allegations of sexual abuse have not been found, aside from
a handful of cases in which prisoners sustained blows to the groin. It
was clear that interrogators who overstepped their legal authorities
were doing everything they could to avoid leaving marks on the
interrogation subject's body. Israeli interrogators developed
techniques such as shaking the prisoner during his questioning. All
told, over 26,000 instances of shaking prisoners during interrogation
were recorded.

There were also a few incidents of death during interrogation. All of
them were revealed to the public and were seen as accidents that
occurred during interrogation, and of course as a violation of the law
and orders. In some cases, those involved were suspended; during the
first intifada, two interrogators were sent to jail. The Landau
Commission, established in 1987, set rules for interrogation, and in
the aftermath of its recommendations, a public debate ensued on
whether it was acceptable to use "moderate physical pressure" during
an interrogation intended to prevent a terrorist attack.

The High Court of Justice eventually determined, in 1999, the rules of
what is permitted and what is forbidden during interrogation. Experts
in the field say there is an immense professional disparity in
Israel's favor - in terms of the sophistication of interrogation
techniques - between it and the United States.

Supreme Court President Aharon Barak has said Israel is a democracy on
the defensive, which has to deal with cruel terror. It's true, Israel
is fighting a defensive war, but there is no doubt that over the
years, the occupation has also corrupted Israeli society.

Wednesday, November 17th, 2004

Don't learn from the Americans

By Ze'ev Schiff

Even before the bloody battle in Falluja, when the Americans began
using combat aircraft in Baghdad, a city that bustles with civilian
life, I had the opportunity to deliver a lecture at an American
university. During the lecture, I asked if anyone knew how many people
were killed or injured in the previous day's bombing. No one knew. Nor
did they know about the casualties in another bombing. The American
press does not draw as much attention to certain aspects of this
conflict as it does to certain aspects of other people's conflicts.
Since then, the bombing and shelling of population centers in Iraq has
taken on larger proportions. It should be hoped that after the tough
battle in Falluja is over, and the Americans have a chance to draw
lessons, they will reach the conclusion that it would be best to end
the practice of preaching morality to the whole world, for instance
through practices like the release of an annual report on the human
rights situation in the occupied territories.

These reports long ago became detached from reality, and are powerful
evidence of the hypocrisy that makes it permissible for the Americans,
and other strong nations, to do that that is forbidden to others. If
the war on international terror means that they will be engaging in
hard-hitting combat, they should at least not be preaching morality to

This same conclusion is relevant regarding actions taken by the French
in the Ivory Coast in recent days. They came to rescue citizens of
France and other states from the fury of a wild mob and, in the course
of their mission, killed local civilians without restraint. The
extensive harm done to civilians in both instances did not even come
in response to an attack - neither by Iraqis nor Africans - against
population centers in the U.S. or France. Neither case may be compared
to the Palestinians, who intentionally strike at civilians, which they
began to do even before the occupation in 1967.

As the Americans were announcing that they had occupied approximately
80 percent of Falluja, representatives of the Red Crescent were
reporting that a humanitarian catastrophe was unfolding among the
city's civilians. Many of the wounded, including children, are
bleeding to death because it is impossible to evacuate them to
hospitals. No one is even talking about the destroyed homes and
property damage.

The method employed by the Americans calls for using warplanes and
artillery in urban areas. This did not start in Falluja. The American
armored division that was deployed in Baghdad used the same method.
The Americans found themselves in trouble after failing to quell the
insurgents in several cities as the date of Iraqi elections drew
nearer. Their answer: using an "iron fist" in populated areas. When
the Russians did this in Chechnya, President Clinton sharply
criticized them. The Iraqi insurgents, who include many foreigners,
also show little compassion for the civilians. They have killed more
Iraqi civilians than have the Americans.

The strong do not generally torment themselves with moral quandaries
during wartime, apparently because they do not feel that they have to
gain the legitimization of the international public opinion. An
intense dispute broke out in Israel following the deaths of 13
civilians from a bomb dropped by an Israel Air Force jet with the aim
of liquidating arch-murderer Salah Shehada, who was responsible for
the deaths of many Israeli civilians. The Shehada case became a
formative event for the IDF, especially its air force.

This quiet quest for legitimacy led the defense industries in Israel
to develop special warheads for missiles fired from helicopters -
mainly in "targeted assassinations" - which cause a minimum of
collateral damage outside the vehicles. The Israel Air Force graphs
show a steady decline in the number of casualties not involved in
terrorism. Indeed, the majority of Palestinian civilians that have
been killed or wounded in recent months were hit by gunfire from
ground troops. Israel is at least trying to correct the situation and
does not preach to others how to behave on the battlefield.


War Hero
Outstanding said:
See that Israel also managed to kill some Palestinians last night. That will help things along nicely.

Haaretz is reporting the death by an Israeli missile strike of the Hamas-appointed Palestinian security chief and Popular Resistance Committees leader Jamal Abu Samhadana, in Gaza.

Abu Samhadana told The Sunday Telegraph in April: "We have only one enemy. They are Jews. We have no other enemy. I will continue to carry the rifle and pull the trigger whenever required to defend my people."

Or not, as the case may be.

According to Haaretz:

Abu Samhadana, who headed the Popular Resistance Committees, was killed along with at least three other PRC operatives, and 10 more were wounded, hospital officials said.

The Israel Defense Forces confirmed striking the PRC camp in the southern Gaza town of Rafah, saying militants there were planning a large-scale attack on Israel. The IDF declined to comment on whether the strike had been a "targeted assassination."
Targetted killing of terrorists by air strike is perfectly acceptable and means that SF troops are put in less danger. Attempts to capture individuals is a lot more difficult than using a bomb. Is anyone not glad when these killers get the good news?
I'm glad! Warrior!!
as glad as glad can be- warms me cockles right up when one of those bastards gets liquidated,
- cheer up all those with longs faces over this - at least he got to appear in one last video :twisted:
seemed to like being in videos that one.
Me and the lads did get a little sh*t faced at a pre planned function but news of one less Islamonazi was the icing on the cake? Apart from a Maverick missile and rubble, I wonder what went through his mind in that last second before he woke up in Hell?
Warrior_Poet said:
Me and the lads did get a little sh*t faced at a pre planned function but news of one less Islamonazi was the icing on the cake? Apart from a Maverick missile and rubble, I wonder what went through his mind in that last second before he woke up in Hell?
his ringpiece?

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