TARA?

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#1
Does anyone know how/why RSM's got the nickname TARA? What does it actually mean?

I've heard it comes from t'RSM said qucikly wiht an Irish accent (I can't quite get that one!) or from an Indian word meaning elephant.

Cheers

ofo
 
#2
Dont know if this helps or is just me drivelling - waiting for sundown and the next launch of Aurora!

I remember....from my time in NI, he says dipping into an Irish accent, then 'the RA' was local terminology for that bunch of Republican terrorists....when I used to be in those circles.

When said in a heated, quick Paddy-Stylee conversation, "TA-RA" meant the balaclava wearing debt collectors who used to help with arthritis of the knees - usually in the back-alleys of Belfast.

If its some other term for the RASS-Man, then I don't remember it.
 
#3
I think your initial reason why was correct, think it's more a northern thing though as specifically Irish - T'RSM
 
#5
Area_51 said:
... the next launch of Aurora! ...
Area 51

So it DOES exist then!! - I knew it, but they wouldn't believe me...

la la la la la :p :p :p
 
#6
Tara is a Yorkshire Regiments thing and is short for t'RSM - pronounced as TAR SM.

When the old and bold met at various reunions, the old RSMs (some from before Hitlers war) were always referred to as Tara (though never to their face.
 
#8
Busterdog said:
Scottish Regiments always referred to the RSM as The Tara. Means King or Chief.
from "Righ" ?
 
#9
My recollection (1952'ish) is that TARA was Technical Assistant Royal Artillery. A WOI who used to do technical calculations such as as the settings required if bang was to be on target.
I understand that the modern bow and arrow does not require such assistance?
 
#10
More like Tiara.....queens wearing jewels hanging from their heads...


I´ll get me coat.... :roll:
 
#11
Righ means King, Tara means chief, which is why the jocks call him "The Tara".

It could be gaelic or doric, and will bow to superior knowledge here.
 
#12
Tara in Co. Meath, Ireland was the ancient residence of the High King of Ireland (Árd Rí). Chief in Irish Gaelic (or more properly 'Gaeilge' or Erse) is 'Taoiseach' which is the official name of the Prime Minister of the Republic of Ireland. The use of one or more of these terms or the phrase 'The Tara' may stem from the numbers of Irishmen serving in Scottish (specifically Highland) regiments from the late 18th century onwards. Gaelic was the language of command in Irish and Highland regiments certainly up until the time of the Indian Mutiny, and possibly beyond. It might interest people to know that Gaelic was the most spoken language on the British side at Waterloo.

Another possible origin of variations of Rí or Riogh maybe a corruption of the Norse word for king - 'Rijk'. I understood that 'Thane' was also a word used for lord in Scotland (again, I believe of Norse origin).
 
#13
The start line for the Tyneside Irish Brigade on the 1st July 1916 was nicknamed the Tara-Usna line. Both names came from their Irish roots as did the name Avoca which was given to the valley into which they had to walk to reach the front line. The Tara-Usna line was nearly a mile to the rear of the British front line; the 2nd and 3rd battalions ceased to exist before they crossed into no-mans land. The Division suffered 71% casualties over the course of two miles.
 
#15
My vote goes with Old Redcap. TARA - Technical Assistant R.A. was a WOI/WOII who would be acting as safety officer for the Battery to ensure all data was checked and verified before a round was in the air.
 
#16
Whiskybreath said:
It might interest people to know that Gaelic was the most spoken language on the British side at Waterloo.
..it does, gg. Do you have any references I can look at?

Let me see now.....well you could start with 'A Military History of Ireland' edited by Thomas Bartlett & Keith Jeffrey and then 'A History of the Irish Soldier' by A.E.C. Bredin ('Bela' Bredin former OC 38th Irish Brigade during the last war). The bibliographies in both books should point you in the right direction. It's not that surprising really, when one considers that Gaelic was still the predominant spoken language of Ireland (certainly amongst Catholics) until the latter half of the 19th century (and beyond in some areas) and this was also the case with the Highlands and Isles of Scotland. Brig. Gen. James Neill, commanding officer of the 1st Madras Fusiliers (later 1st Bn. Royal Dublin Fusiliers) during the Indian Mutiny, was a Scot who was able to address both his Irish and Highland troops during the relief of Lucknow in Gaelic. (note: most of the European regiments in Company service prior to the Mutiny were composed of Irish or Scots).
 
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gallowglass said:
Whiskybreath said:
It might interest people to know that Gaelic was the most spoken language on the British side at Waterloo.
..it does, gg. Do you have any references I can look at?

Let me see now.....well you could start with 'A Military History of Ireland' edited by Thomas Bartlett & Keith Jeffrey and then 'A History of the Irish Soldier' by A.E.C. Bredin ('Bela' Bredin former OC 38th Irish Brigade during the last war). The bibliographies in both books should point you in the right direction. It's not that surprising really, when one considers that Gaelic was still the predominant spoken language of Ireland (certainly amongst Catholics) until the latter half of the 19th century (and beyond in some areas) and this was also the case with the Highlands and Isles of Scotland. Brig. Gen. James Neill, commanding officer of the 1st Madras Fusiliers (later 1st Bn. Royal Dublin Fusiliers) during the Indian Mutiny, was a Scot who was able to address both his Irish and Highland troops during the relief of Lucknow in Gaelic. (note: most of the European regiments in Company service prior to the Mutiny were composed of Irish or Scots).
And that Welligton and Blucher after winning Waterloo could only converse in French, that being the only language they both knew....
 
#18
Benjaminw1 said:
gallowglass said:
Whiskybreath said:
It might interest people to know that Gaelic was the most spoken language on the British side at Waterloo.
..it does, gg. Do you have any references I can look at?

Let me see now.....well you could start with 'A Military History of Ireland' edited by Thomas Bartlett & Keith Jeffrey and then 'A History of the Irish Soldier' by A.E.C. Bredin ('Bela' Bredin former OC 38th Irish Brigade during the last war). The bibliographies in both books should point you in the right direction. It's not that surprising really, when one considers that Gaelic was still the predominant spoken language of Ireland (certainly amongst Catholics) until the latter half of the 19th century (and beyond in some areas) and this was also the case with the Highlands and Isles of Scotland. Brig. Gen. James Neill, commanding officer of the 1st Madras Fusiliers (later 1st Bn. Royal Dublin Fusiliers) during the Indian Mutiny, was a Scot who was able to address both his Irish and Highland troops during the relief of Lucknow in Gaelic. (note: most of the European regiments in Company service prior to the Mutiny were composed of Irish or Scots).
And that Welligton and Blucher after winning Waterloo could only converse in French, that being the only language they both knew....
And that gentlemen (all of the above) is what made Britain GREAT!
 
#19
I remember talking to a former Seaforth Highlander in Edinburgh in 1971 he completed his recruit training at Fort George in 1909 prior to joining his battalion in India. The wonderful old gentleman told me that all instruction was conducted in Scots Gaelic. His 'Walking Out' uniform included scarlet doublet, McKenzie plaid and kilt and a feather bonnet! My daughter learned Gaelic in elementary school at Inverness in the mid 1970s.
 
#20
Whatever...TARAH! says to me BYE BYE...that's full ENGLISH...not jock,not Irish...just YORKSHIRE....what you give is what you get! :wink: t :p chuss ah said!!
 
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