Tanker attacks Gulf of Oman

As I said in the thread about our glorious european masters, "if Ushi does as good a job with the EU as she did with the Bundeswehr, then the EU is f**ked".
OK even more f**ked than it is already.
You can’t polish a turd.

Give Ushi & EU enough rope and let it play out, unless she gets ousted before that.

Either way, Brussels made its bed...


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Video of Iran hassling HMS Duncan, only its not its a UAE ship on escort duties. These clowns are going to start a shitstorm one day.

Who is saying it's the Duncan; the IRGC or the poster of the tweet?

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Yokel

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As a respondent said, they have nothing to offer.
Is Germany's Navy Dead?
Of all the countries in NATO, Germany is the one Russia talk with most and Germany buys their oil and gas ie overland from Russia, not from the ME. There is no advantage to Germany to expend resources they don't have...
What do you expect with a (former) Communist leader in charge? What was it M Sarkozy said about her?

Who is saying it's the Duncan; the IRGC or the poster of the tweet?

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I think the Iranians have got the unwitting help of all the idiots in the West who seem keen to denounce anything said by a Western Government, but 100% accepting of the claims of anti Western regimes.
 
I belive its IRGC.
Mistake or a bit of disinformation to try and stir the pot, you think? It obviously isn't the Duncan.

ETA: just read @Yokel's post above.

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Video of Iran hassling HMS Duncan, only its not its a UAE ship on escort duties. These clowns are going to start a shitstorm one day.


Hardly harassing? More like "Keeping respectful distance"? It seems like there's nothing that the little toy boats could do to win any fight with that warship?
 

jrwlynch

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USS Cole ring a Bell?
Which is why small boats approaching too close, ignoring warnings, and getting brassed up is 'natural causes ' and why small boats are careful about such things.

IRGCN will close to read hull numbers, but they'll announce their intention and identity first. Very occasionally, someone tries it on and guns get pointed, even warning shots fired, but that's as unusual as a very unusual thing.
 
USS Cole ring a Bell?
A ship, docked, stationary, in a friendly port, compared to a ship under way on the open sea. World of difference. As jrwlynch points out, out on the open water you're more likely to get shot a lot quicker.

I'd also point out the USS Cole appears to still be in service, so it wasn't very good at sinking the ship, was it.

It's a bit like the argument you have with German fanboys over Operation Sealion. You point out the Royal Navy will smash the invasion flat with no risk, The Wehraboo's then state the Luftwaffe will stop the RN, and cite sinking several ships at Dunkirk.
All of which were under 4kn speed, and in shallow water with limited room to move.
 

Trans-sane

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A ship, docked, stationary, in a friendly port, compared to a ship under way on the open sea. World of difference. As jrwlynch points out, out on the open water you're more likely to get shot a lot quicker.

I'd also point out the USS Cole appears to still be in service, so it wasn't very good at sinking the ship, was it.

It's a bit like the argument you have with German fanboys over Operation Sealion. You point out the Royal Navy will smash the invasion flat with no risk, The Wehraboo's then state the Luftwaffe will stop the RN, and cite sinking several ships at Dunkirk.
All of which were under 4kn speed, and in shallow water with limited room to move.
And had limited friendly fighter cover as they were a long way from friendly air strips AND fighter squadrons were being retained for air defence of home air space. Plus as the German Army wouldn't have had any artillery until at least the third wave, without air cover they were stuck with small arms...
 
And had limited friendly fighter cover as they were a long way from friendly air strips AND fighter squadrons were being retained for air defence of home air space. Plus as the German Army wouldn't have had any artillery until at least the third wave, without air cover they were stuck with small arms...
Lets just say there's so man "...ands..." in that operation even the tactical genius Hitler saw that it was a bad idea, that tells you how much of a disaster it would be. But to avoid derailing this thread utterly, may I point you towards our most recent thread on the subject:

 

philc

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A ship, docked, stationary, in a friendly port, compared to a ship under way on the open sea. World of difference. As jrwlynch points out, out on the open water you're more likely to get shot a lot quicker.

I'd also point out the USS Cole appears to still be in service, so it wasn't very good at sinking the ship, was it.

It's a bit like the argument you have with German fanboys over Operation Sealion. You point out the Royal Navy will smash the invasion flat with no risk, The Wehraboo's then state the Luftwaffe will stop the RN, and cite sinking several ships at Dunkirk.
All of which were under 4kn speed, and in shallow water with limited room to move.
The point being that a small boat with either a determined crew or other means of guidance could score a massive hit on a warship, the USS Cole was not back on active service for close to 4 years. A small fast boat coming at a warship from a close distance is a hard target, small, maneuverable and fast in a rough sea not easy to hit.

Plenty in the region would like a victory of disabling a Warship for that length of time with the added bonus of the loss of life.
 

Yokel

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The point being that a small boat with either a determined crew or other means of guidance could score a massive hit on a warship, the USS Cole was not back on active service for close to 4 years. A small fast boat coming at a warship from a close distance is a hard target, small, maneuverable and fast in a rough sea not easy to hit.

Plenty in the region would like a victory of disabling a Warship for that length of time with the added bonus of the loss of life.
Which is why the major navies (yes - including the Royal Navy) have responded to the threat....

More weapons on the upper deck
Better sights
Anti FIAC drills built into sea training
0.50 Cal HMG carried by Lynx, later Merlin and now Wildcat
Better night vision equipment
Miniguns
Development of DS30M Mk2, a 30mm cannon controlled from the Operations Room (so operators not cold/wet/hot....), with an integrated Electro-Optical system, computers to predict when the target is moving to, and air bursting ammunition
0.5 Cal HMGs
Wildcat to carry Martlet - a maritime vesrion of the Lightweight Multirole Missile intended to engage small boat type targets (Wildcat HM2 can carry ten)
Experiments with a ship launched version of Martlet
Better and more EO systems to detect and track small craft

.....and lots more!
 
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In all the palaver about the thread title, we seem to have missed this incident. Apparently ET and his mates now involved.

'A flying object was likely used to attack a tanker operated by Kokuka Sangyo Co., the shipping company said at a press conference at its head office in Chiyoda Ward, Tokyo, on Friday. The tanker was hit twice on Thursday, and several crew members witnessed a flying object when the tanker was attacked the second time, according to the company. The company said it had received a report that the object caused a hole in the ship’s hull. “[The attack] was not from a mine,” Kokuka Sangyo President Yutaka Katada said.'

 

Yokel

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Perhaps this has been posted elsewhere, but it appears it's not just the RN who are feeling a bit overstretched in the Gulf.

Iran Has Hundreds of Naval Mines. U.S. Navy Minesweepers Find Old Dishwashers and Car Parts. — ProPublica
Parts of the seabed are littered with crap, which reflects sonar. I am not sure you can blame the sonar for that. However the force has suffered as it was assumed that the LCS would take on their mission - but the Minehunting module was too large and heavy. The huge Sea Dragon helicopters were meant to be replaced by a version of the MH-60, that could operate from pretty much any warship.

In the eighties the US was embarrassed by having to rely on Britain and other allies, but was working on it. Mine Clearance efforts in the Gulf in 1991 and 2003 were multinational, and it is something the rest of NATO does routinely.

The two Hunt class MCMVs and two Sandown class vessels the RN had based in Bahrain are important, as is the RFA which both acts as the command platform (battle staff and communications) and provides logistic support.
 

Yokel

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Talking of which - there was a US/UK/FR MCM exercise in April:


Ledbury and L’Aigle (Eagle) made use of Cardigan Bay by ‘rafting up’ – treating the her starboard side as a jetty or quayside to come alongside to take on supplies such as fuel, water, spare parts and ammunition – sustaining the hunters on operations for longer periods than their typical ten-to-14-day sorties if necessary.

They were both attached to Cardigan Bay as the auxiliary’s flight deck hosted a huge MH-53E helicopter.

Fully loaded, the Sea Dragon is more than twice as heavy as a Fleet Air Arm Merlin and is used to drag minesweeping gear through the water or carry up to 30 troops into battle.

"There are many similarities between all three mine countermeasures communities – from the comradeship and professionalism onboard these small ships, to the quest to embrace emerging maritime autonomous technology,” explained Commander Steven White, the Royal Navy officer in charge of operations aboard Cardigan Bay.

“Mine warfare is a complex and dangerous business that many people do not understand. These exercises allow me – along with my fellow task group commanders, and commanding officers of ships and diving units – to practise and refine our skills and procedures so we are ready when called upon to do this for real."
 

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