Tanker attacks Gulf of Oman

Flight

LE
Book Reviewer
Logical, but still a complete volte-face.

I'm guessing sales of lube are down in Whitehall. :)
 

Yokel

LE
If the Iranian motorcycle couriers could get a message from one place to another as fast as the Ripper exercise claimed, then Iran would not need to export oil as it would have cornered the courier market worldwide.

Also Just Eat etc would have a serious competitor!
 
Not that Iran would dare to attack a PRC vessel, bearing in mind they still want to acquire Iranian oil; but China is looking at the US proposal on escorting their ships in the Gulf:
“If there happens to be a very unsafe situation we will consider having our navy escort our commercial vessels,” Ambassador Ni Jian told Reuters in Abu Dhabi.

“We are studying the U.S. proposal on Gulf escort arrangements,” China’s embassy later said in a text message.
 
19 days and Stena Bulk issue a statement to say the detention of the crew and ship is 'unacceptable and unjustifiable':
The continued detention of British-flagged tanker Stena Impero is “unacceptable and unjustifiable” and there are concerns for the welfare of the crew after 19 days in confinement, the vessel’s owner said on Tuesday.
Limited comms with the crew, but appear to be in good health:
Stena Bulk’s chief executive and president Erik Hanell said the company had limited communication with the crew onboard.

“Although they remain in good health considering the circumstances, we continue to be concerned about their welfare given the amount of time they have been in confinement,” he said in a statement.
On behalf of the Latvians, the Finns sent a representative:
“The Finnish representative advised that the crew were in good health, however the duration of their confinement remains of considerable concern to the crew,” Hanell said.

“We want to emphasise the difficult circumstances they are enduring as a result of this ongoing situation.”
Rouhani says war with Iran will be 'the Mother of All Wars':
Iranian President Hassan Rouhani warned on Tuesday that shipping might not be safe in the Strait of Hormuz, adding that “war with Iran is the mother of all wars”.
I'm not sure he recalls Saddam's statement:Ecerpts From Saddam's Speech With AM-Gulf Rdp, Bjt
What a great pride it is, dear comrades in arms, that we belong to a march crowned with glory and satisfying God... In this struggle that you are leading, you are fighting against social and economic oppression, against discrimination ... against the oppression practiced by foreign (powers) ... against double standards, corruption and hegemony...

For these reasons, the battle in which you are locked today is the mother of all battles.

Let no one be deceived. The battle against the tyranny represented by the United States and the slogans of hegemony it is raising on the international and regional level and against the forces of infidelity so they be ousted from our holy lands is not expected to be a short one.
 

Yokel

LE
Some of you might be interested in this paper:

Closing Time - Assessing the Iranian Threat to the Strait of Hormuz by Caitlin Talmadge

I think I first read this in 2007 or around then. Since the paper was written, Iran has expanded submarine capabilities beyond the three Kilo class SSKs to include a larger number of small submarines, ideally suited to shallow waters. Back in those days, may Western commentators dismissed 'midget' submarines as 'the last word in mine warfare'. Then the South Korean warship ROKS Cheonan was sunk by a North Korean midget.

The other thing the paper ignored is that forces conducting mine clearance may well come under threat missile, air, submarine, or small craft. The same type of helicopter that was used to drop the troops about the Stena Impero is also used to carry ingenuously made anti ship missiles.
 

jrwlynch

LE
Book Reviewer
The other thing the paper ignored is that forces conducting mine clearance may well come under threat missile, air, submarine, or small craft. The same type of helicopter that was used to drop the troops about the Stena Impero is also used to carry ingenuously made anti ship missiles.
Mines are a (dangerous) nuisance unless covered by observation and fire, at which point they can become a showstopper.

See:- Dardanelles Campaign, 1915...
 

Yokel

LE
Mines are a (dangerous) nuisance unless covered by observation and fire, at which point they can become a showstopper.

See:- Dardanelles Campaign, 1915...
You are talking to the converted shipmate. However, for some reason many people do not think the IRGCN would be so unsporting as to threaten or harass vessels hunting for mines. Yet the experience from 1991 was that the Iraqis under Saddam tried to lure allied vessels into Silkworm range. Also the mine clearance could not really begin until the threat from Exocet armed FACs had been dealt with.

If you suggest that carrier based aircraft might be used to provide force protection for an MCM force, people look at you oddly.

Why would you put a carrier in the Strait?
No, the carrier stays in the Arabian Sea, and maintains a CAP.
But the carrier is there to drop bombs....
No, and I imagine the Merlins (or MH-50R for the USN) would be useful in dealing with the submarine threat, providing ISTAR of hostile small craft, and even providing logistic support - VERTREP etc.
But Minehunters are not warships....
Yes they are! Warships with a specific role, and sensors and weapons to defeat a likely enemy weapon.
But.......
 
You are talking to the converted shipmate. However, for some reason many people do not think the IRGCN would be so unsporting as to threaten or harass vessels hunting for mines. Yet the experience from 1991 was that the Iraqis under Saddam tried to lure allied vessels into Silkworm range. Also the mine clearance could not really begin until the threat from Exocet armed FACs had been dealt with.

If you suggest that carrier based aircraft might be used to provide force protection for an MCM force, people look at you oddly.
A problem more easily resolved by giving the mine hunter a 76mm gun



aaaaaaaaand exit stage left
 

Yokel

LE
A problem more easily resolved by giving the mine hunter a 76mm gun



aaaaaaaaand exit stage left
In the old days we would have enough frigates and destroyers to look after them, but they would be unlikely to keep them out of missile firing range, and cannot do an intercept against a suspicious aircraft.

But in the old days Iran did not have all those small submarines built with the Strait of Hormuz in mind. Not were there as many missile carrying jets and helicopters.
 

Yokel

LE
Perhaps a moderator can amend the thread title to reflect the ongoing situation in the Gulf and Strait of Hormuz?

Major navies regularly practice being denied the use of GPS. It is a regular feature of exercises such as Joint Warrior. The Royal Navy's electronic charting system (WECDIS - I might have got a few letters out of place) is NOT dependent on GPS.

How much do merchant vessels rely on it? GPS is being jammed, VHF communications are being jammed...


All those things the top tier navies practice seem to be coming to the fore.
 

endure

GCM
Perhaps a moderator can amend the thread title to reflect the ongoing situation in the Gulf and Strait of Hormuz?

Major navies regularly practice being denied the use of GPS. It is a regular feature of exercises such as Joint Warrior. The Royal Navy's electronic charting system (WECDIS - I might have got a few letters out of place) is NOT dependent on GPS.

How much do merchant vessels rely on it? GPS is being jammed, VHF communications are being jammed...



All those things the top tier navies practice seem to be coming to the fore.
The idle buggers will have to get the binoculars and sextant out of that cupboard at the back of the bridge ;-)
 
Perhaps a moderator can amend the thread title to reflect the ongoing situation in the Gulf and Strait of Hormuz?

Major navies regularly practice being denied the use of GPS. It is a regular feature of exercises such as Joint Warrior. The Royal Navy's electronic charting system (WECDIS - I might have got a few letters out of place) is NOT dependent on GPS.

How much do merchant vessels rely on it? GPS is being jammed, VHF communications are being jammed...


All those things the top tier navies practice seem to be coming to the fore.
Merchant Seafarers are likely to be as good with a Sextant and astral Nav than a Naval officer as a lot of emphasis is still put into it for MN Cadetships. At least British ones.
 
I didn't even know that there was a "cruise" thing going on in the Gulf..
Dubai is has loads of them going in all the time, its a big part of the tourist industry there.
 

offog

LE
I didn't even know that there was a "cruise" thing going on in the Gulf..
Person I know was going on that. if memory serves they would go down the red sea turn left at the bottom and then went up to muscat and then into Dubai and background again.
 

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