Tanker attacks Gulf of Oman 13/6/19

Nice to see the Beeb with its usual level of simpleton reporting.........that we are now sending a second warship to the Gulf................sort of omitting the fact Montrose is off to Bahrain for a bit of the usual MOT & service so HMS Duncan will be deployed a wee bit early so as to leave no gap in capability. Hardly a case of a fully warred up flotilla of warships is it FFS.
 
Nice to see the Beeb with its usual level of simpleton reporting.........that we are now sending a second warship to the Gulf................sort of omitting the fact Montrose is off to Bahrain for a bit of the usual MOT & service so HMS Duncan will be deployed a wee bit early so as to leave no gap in capability. Hardly a case of a fully warred up flotilla of warships is it FFS.
World Service referred to Duncan as a "battleship"
 
IIRC, RoE will be based on distance of approach and level of threat. Something like:

1. Warning 10km - radio
2. Warning 5km
3. Warning 3km
4. Train weapons
5. Shot across bows (30mm x 5 rounds)
6. Shoot at them

There will be some latitude depending on the type and size of threat, perceived level of threat and manoeuvring room.
You're so out of touch. That was in the days before we acquired our non-lethal super-weapons.
 
Nice to see the Beeb with its usual level of simpleton reporting.........that we are now sending a second warship to the Gulf................sort of omitting the fact Montrose is off to Bahrain for a bit of the usual MOT & service so HMS Duncan will be deployed a wee bit early so as to leave no gap in capability. Hardly a case of a fully warred up flotilla of warships is it FFS.
Ah but read on Macduff;

Jonathan Beale
BBC Defence Correspondent;

British ministers and officials have been stressing they do not want tensions with Iran to "escalate".
The risk of sending a second warship to the region is that it'll send the wrong signal. How will Iran view it other than an escalation?
The reality though is there were already plans to send Duncan to join the frigate HMS Montrose already based in the region.
Montrose has been working hard and is due to undergo routine maintenance. Her crew who have been working at a heightened tempo in recent weeks will also need a break.
Both warships will be operating together in the region for a short period. But in the current climate ministers clearly felt it was too risky to allow a gap in providing a military escort to British merchant shipping in the region.
 
We sold the Shah a navy. And a Tank Brigade.

Khomeini repudiated his bills - so we confiscated a couple of ships till wiser heads prevailed.

The Yanks on the other hand sold him F-14 Tomcats.

To this day the only operators of that ac are the US Navy and the Iranian Air Force.

Oh, and by the way....since the mid 80s no British Defence company has been able to deal with Iran. First it was the iran-Iraq war,then a detained businessman then something else.

What it boils down to is the US hates Iran with a passion - and will make life extremely difficult for anyone who deals with the Islamic Republic.

How much of that is down to injured US pride and how much down to every US President's need to keep Israel sweet is anyone's guess.


That said, the loony theocrats running Persia today are unquestionably a vile bunch. Their human rights record is much worse than...er...China's........ahem.


It would be illuminating to see which of the former Shah's bestest friends have suffered the most financially from the freeze on business relations since 1979.

I'd be willing to bet that Britain has come off much worse than the U.S.......funny old world.


psst...wanna buy a new Hillman Hunter ?

'Iran's Arrow': Don't miss this documentary about Iran's beloved Hillman Hunters
I guess when dealing with former allies/"friends" there is always a chance someone might want to steal your lunch. In the Shah's time the company I worked for had a huge, I mean really huge copper deposit way up in them thar hills. It was going to take some serious amounts of dosh to get the whole complex going. Meantime our competition in US and A slid around us and chatted up HM the Shah and in a blink we became the ex-owne.rs However one of our local Iranian dudes who was excellently connected with the Supremo himself ..... As a mark of his esteem our little company was rewarded very large compensation dollars and so we gracefully retired from the action and damn! Didn't that go sideways for our claim jumpers the copper still sits in a dusty plateau awaiting the first shovel to expose the multi billion lode. Careful what you wish for -- you just might get it.
 
If you didn't, then I'm baffled by your post #15
You seem to be perennially baffled.... Since I spoke, we have reinforcements en route, the Government is talking about the cost of those naval cuts and the Americans are clearly watching them like hawks. The message is being made as we speak.

Ultimately the Iranians only understand the threat of force and they overplay their hand, it will get chopped off.
 
I am wondering just what the UK would/could do if the Iranians did take a UK registered tanker and or god forbid attack and damage /sink? a UK Naval vessel?

Strong worded letter ? Boris on TV talking the talk but not walking the walk?
 

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JCPOA opened up the opportunity of wider markets in Iran, especially in the British financial services sector.A number of investment banks cautiously engaged with Iranian market, only to risk being spanked when the US withdrew from the agreement and imposed wider sanctions, including against British banks dealing with Iran.
Since 1979 sub solar nili mutantur......friend of mine was nearly jailed in the late 80's for shipping naughty Hazcat 1.4 materiel which ended up in Bushehr or Khorramshahr or somewhere equally un-American.

I was the DESO desk officer with responsibility for that area for three years....I think the zenith of our achievement was persuading some cahnt that aircrew helmets would not

' needlessly prolong or exacerbate the current conflict*'

They vetoed spares for British built Martin Baker ejection seats though....

Meanwhile the French were cheerfully supplying both sides with artillery ammunition made by Luchaire in Belgium, flown over in Force Aerienne Transalls.... EU solidarity....marvellous... :roll:





* Iran-Iraq war.....when Saddam was Our Bastard. World embargo on arms sales.....ignored by China, the then Soviet Union etc etc
 
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So a bunch of Toms won't even scratch Iran eh? I'd better tell Raytheon.
No I said the UK could not. Just how many do we have to start firing them off at “all” the known Iranian sites?

Wiki says we have “about” adding them up but not including those fired in the last 20 years. So about between 140 and 200. Yes easily wipe out the Iranian military.

Point to note . Iran did succeed in shooting down the American drone with their AAD. Maybe it’s better than the west thinks?

Iran also has missiles that can hit HMS Juffair with ease.
 
Once my new carpet arrives, you're free to nuke Qum. Should push the value up nicely, thanks...
 
You seem to be perennially baffled.... Since I spoke, we have reinforcements en route, the Government is talking about the cost of those naval cuts and the Americans are clearly watching them like hawks. The message is being made as we speak.

Ultimately the Iranians only understand the threat of force and they overplay their hand, it will get chopped off.
If I seem “perennially baffled”, it is mostly because of your constant self-contradictions and flip-flopping all over the place. You seem to spread opinions like a mad woman spreads shit.
 

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