Tank history

#3
AltairDraco said:
Did you know that the very first tank was crewed by RN personell,later to be taken over by the machinegun corp,which was later changed to the RTR.
This would be suiteable for the thread, "Something from history you probably didn't know."
 
#4
And that the development was authorised by Winston Churchill, then First Lord of The Admiralty, and the first machine was nicknamed the 'Land Cruiser'

(later the 'Water Carrier' and finally 'Tank')
 
#5
AltairDraco said:
Did you know that the very first tank was crewed by RN personell,later to be taken over by the machinegun corp,which was later changed to the RTR.
Dennis Adams was one of the crew and the others were called Burt.
 
#6
AltairDraco said:
Did you know that the very first tank was crewed by RN personell,later to be taken over by the machinegun corp,which was later changed to the RTR.

Can't resist a bit of buffing here.

The first Troops were recruited from volunteers of 'All arms' Army and Navy for 'An extremely hazardous mission'. No tank was exclusively crewed by Naval personnel. Gunnery training was carried out under Naval instruction at their gunnery school at Whale Island as the first guns were converted from Naval applications. (Rum to this day held by Squadron Quartermasters or at least still was when I got out in 1990 due to the Naval connection).
Tanks first belonged to the Admiralty as 'Royal Naval Landships' hence photos of tanks with names painted on such as RNLS Dragonfly.
Their Army unit however was 'The Heavy Branch, The machine gun corps' to further disguise the existence of such vehicles prior to first action.
This then became 'The Tank Corps' then later, post WW1, when the King intervened to stop the Cav bigwigs at the WD disbanding the Corps, he adopted the Regiment adding Royal to the title the Monarch today remaining C in C.
In the 30's the name changed to Royal Tank Regiment.

That's it in a nutshell, minus the swearing I've included in the section of my book.
 
#7
Read THE DEVILS CHARIOTS by John Glanfield and BAND OF BRIGANDS by Chrisry Campbell, Albert Stern had problems with the Civil Servicein getting certificates so that Wm Fosters workers would not get called up , so he went to the office in question and told the staff they had 10 mins to provide them before he orderd his men to open fire. Left with a sack full of them
 
#8
4RTR and presumably now 1RTR had a ships bell outside the guardroom because of the RN connection. Seemingly Ships Time was rung on it, 8 bells etc, never rung it in my time; just polished it.
 
#9
AltairDraco said:
Did you know that the very first tank was crewed by RN personell,later to be taken over by the machinegun corp,which was later changed to the RTR.
All Tankies know this.
 
#10
ObnoxiousJockGit said:
4RTR and presumably now 1RTR had a ships bell outside the guardroom because of the RN connection. Seemingly Ships Time was rung on it, 8 bells etc, never rung it in my time; just polished it.
3RTR's quick march was called 'On the Quarter Deck'! 8O Only cos' we beat the Navy in some rowing comp mind!!! :D
 
#11
soprano54 said:
ObnoxiousJockGit said:
4RTR and presumably now 1RTR had a ships bell outside the guardroom because of the RN connection. Seemingly Ships Time was rung on it, 8 bells etc, never rung it in my time; just polished it.
3RTR's quick march was called 'On the Quarter Deck'! 8O Only cos' we beat the Navy in some rowing comp mind!!! :D
Apologies Tankies but as a slight aside. The opening bars of the 13th/18th Royal Hussars Regimantal Quick march were taken from "A life on the ocean wave"
 

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#12
soprano54 said:
ObnoxiousJockGit said:
4RTR and presumably now 1RTR had a ships bell outside the guardroom because of the RN connection. Seemingly Ships Time was rung on it, 8 bells etc, never rung it in my time; just polished it.
3RTR's quick march was called 'On the Quarter Deck'! 8O Only cos' we beat the Navy in some rowing comp mind!!! :D
Sail Army
Fly Navy
Walk Sideways
 
#13
TheBigUn said:
soprano54 said:
ObnoxiousJockGit said:
4RTR and presumably now 1RTR had a ships bell outside the guardroom because of the RN connection. Seemingly Ships Time was rung on it, 8 bells etc, never rung it in my time; just polished it.
3RTR's quick march was called 'On the Quarter Deck'! 8O Only cos' we beat the Navy in some rowing comp mind!!! :D
Apologies Tankies but as a slight aside. The opening bars of the 13th/18th Royal Hussars Regimantal Quick march were taken from "A life on the ocean wave"
And the 17/21st had 'Nelly the Elephant' :?
 
#14
Vent_Tube_Tester said:
TheBigUn said:
soprano54 said:
ObnoxiousJockGit said:
4RTR and presumably now 1RTR had a ships bell outside the guardroom because of the RN connection. Seemingly Ships Time was rung on it, 8 bells etc, never rung it in my time; just polished it.
3RTR's quick march was called 'On the Quarter Deck'! 8O Only cos' we beat the Navy in some rowing comp mind!!! :D
Apologies Tankies but as a slight aside. The opening bars of the 13th/18th Royal Hussars Regimantal Quick march were taken from "A life on the ocean wave"
And the 17/21st had 'Nelly the Elephant' :?
http://military-bands.co.uk/quick.html

Volume Two:
SUB MARINERS - Up Periscope; ROYAL MARINE COMMANDOS - Sarie Marais; THE BLUES AND ROYALS - Grand March from Aida & The Royals; 4thI7th ROYAL DRAGOON GUARDS - St Patrick's Day; THE QUEEN'S OWN HUSSARS - Light Cavalry; THE ROYAL HUSSARS (Prince of Wales's Own) - The Merry Month of May; 13th/18th ROYAL HUSSARS (Queen Mary's Own) - A Life on the Ocean Wave and Balaklava March; l4th/20th KING'S HUSSARS - Royal Sussex; 16th/5th THE QUEEN'S ROYAL LANCERS - Scarlet and Green; IRISH GUARDS - St Patrick's Day; WELSH GUARDS - Rising of the Lark; THE ROYAL REGIMENT OF FUSILIERS - The British Grenadiers; THE ROYAL REGIMENT OF EUSILIERS - New Fusilier; THE ROYAL ANGLIAN REGIMENT - Rule Britannia & Speed the Plough; THE DEVONSHIRE AND DORSET REGIMENT - Widdieomhe Fair, We've Lived and Loved Together and The Maid of Glenconnel; THE ROYAL HIGHLAND FUSILIERS (Princess Margaret's Own Glasgow and Ayreshire Regiment) - Whistle o'er the Lave O't and British Grenadiers: THE 22nd (CHESHIRE) REGIMENT - Wha Wadna Fecht for Charlie; THE GLOUCESTERSHIRE REGIMENT - The Kinnegad Slashers; THE QUEEN'S LANCASHIRE REGIMENT - The Attack & The Red Rose; THE DUKE OF WELLINGTON'S REGIMENT (West Riding) - The Wellesley; THE STAFFORDSHIRE REGIMENT (The Prince of Wales's) - Come Lasses and Lads and The Days We went A-Gipsying; THE BLACK WATCH (Royal Highland Regiment) - Highland Laddie; THE ARGYLL AND SUTHERLAND HIGHLANDERS (Princess Louise's) - The Thin Red Line; THE PARACHUTE REGIMENT - Ride of the Valkyries; 7th DUKE OF EDINBURGH'S OWN GURKHA RIFLES - Old Monmouthshire; GURKHA ENGINEERS - Wings; GURKHA MILITARY POLICE - The Watch Tower; ROYAL ARMY MEDICAL CORPS - Here's a Health Unto His Majesty; SMALL ARMS SCHOOL CORPS - March of the Bowmen; MILITARY PROVOST STAFF CORPS - The Metropolitan; ROYAL PIONEER CORPS - Pioneer Corps; ARMY CATERING CORPS - Sugar and Spice; ULSTER DEFENCE REGIMENT - Sprig of Shillelagh & Garryowen; ARMY LEGAL CORPS - Scales of Justice; STRIKE COMMAND - Strike Command March Past; ROYAL AIR FORCE POLICE - Royal Air Force Police March Past.

:wink:

Edited to add; I can't find Nelly the Elephant on volume 1. Only The White Lancers?
 
#15
Has to be said however, the RTR Regimental March 'My Boy Willie' is one of the lamest I've heard albeit I have it as my mobile's ringtone out of loyalty!!! If the 'rather limp' words to it were to be heard publicly and in my presence I'd have to, in the words of Richard Sharpe (and I don't oft quote from Grunts), "Go somewhere, take my pistol and what remains of my brains, and blow them out".
However, 'On the quarterdeck' is a fine piece of marching music but, pales into insignificance against Adge Cutler's 'When the Charlton Mackrell Jug Band hit the charts' or 'Up the Clump'!!

Why is it, British Slow Marches like 'Les Hugenots' are the finest in the world but, our Quick Marches are nowhere near as good as say the Hun with their swagger inducing renditions such as 'Grosse Locke mit Steinmetzmarsch' or 'Preussens Gloria' or................of course...............'PanzerLied'!!!!!!!!!
 
#16
Arthur3bums said:
Has to be said however, the RTR Regimental March 'My Boy Willie' is one of the lamest I've heard albeit I have it as my mobile's ringtone out of loyalty!!! If the 'rather limp' words to it were to be heard publicly and in my presence I'd have to, in the words of Richard Sharpe (and I don't oft quote from Grunts), "Go somewhere, take my pistol and what remains of my brains, and blow them out".
However, 'On the quarterdeck' is a fine piece of marching music but, pales into insignificance against Adge Cutler's 'When the Charlton Mackrell Jug Band hit the charts' or 'Up the Clump'!!

Why is it, British Slow Marches like 'Les Hugenots' are the finest in the world but, our Quick Marches are nowhere near as good as say the Hun with their swagger inducing renditions such as 'Grosse Locke mit Steinmetzmarsch' or 'Preussens Gloria' or................of course...............'PanzerLied'!!!!!!!!!
Is that the one they sing in the film 'Battle of the Bulge', because that is the type of song we should have had :D
 
#17
VTT
Oh yes, it's in the battle of the Bulge. I have the original recording from WW2 and, when translated it's all the blood 'n' guts type sentiment you'd expect.

PanzerLied

Whether it storms or snows
Whether the sun shines upon us
The day burning hot
Or the night freezing cold
Dusty are our faces
But happy we are at heart
We're at heart
Our tank roars ahead
Along with the storm wind

With thundering engines
Fast as a lightning bolt
The enemy engaging
Within our armor plates
Come on comrades
In the battle, all alone
We stand all alone
That's how we strike deep
Into the enemy's ranks

When an enemy tank
Appears ahead of us
Full throttle is given
And we close with the foe
What value then is our life
For the army of our nation
Yes army of our nation
For to die for Germany
Is our highest honour

With obstacles and tanks
The enemy blocks our path
We laugh about it
And simply pass them by
And if we are threatened by guns
Hidden in the yellow sand
In the yellow sand
We find ourselves a path
That no one else found

And if we are abandoned
By that unfaithful luck
And if we don't return
To our homeland again
If a bullet strikes us down
If our fate calls upon us
Yes our fate upon us
Then for us the tank will be
An honorable grave
 
#18
Arthur3bums said:
VTT
Oh yes, it's in the battle of the Bulge. I have the original recording from WW2 and, when translated it's all the blood 'n' guts type sentiment you'd expect.

PanzerLied

Whether it storms or snows
Whether the sun shines upon us
The day burning hot
Or the night freezing cold
Dusty are our faces
But happy we are at heart
We're at heart
Our tank roars ahead
Along with the storm wind

With thundering engines
Fast as a lightning bolt
The enemy engaging
Within our armor plates
Come on comrades
In the battle, all alone
We stand all alone
That's how we strike deep
Into the enemy's ranks

When an enemy tank
Appears ahead of us
Full throttle is given
And we close with the foe
What value then is our life
For the army of our nation
Yes army of our nation
For to die for Germany
Is our highest honour

With obstacles and tanks
The enemy blocks our path
We laugh about it
And simply pass them by
And if we are threatened by guns
Hidden in the yellow sand
In the yellow sand
We find ourselves a path
That no one else found

And if we are abandoned
By that unfaithful luck
And if we don't return
To our homeland again
If a bullet strikes us down
If our fate calls upon us
Yes our fate upon us
Then for us the tank will be
An honorable grave
Like that a lot, might have given me an idea for a print similar to 'Goodbye to the Green on Black'. :? Be impressive if they could play that at the next Bovvy lunch :D
 
#19
Maybe a pic of German Panzers storming about with the text? Not all the lyrics mind as it'd be too long. When you hear the song though, other than the Wiking Jugend version, it's just the first verse repeated.
 
#20
AltairDraco said:
Did you know that the very first tank was crewed by RN personell,later to be taken over by the machinegun corp,which was later changed to the RTR.
As others have said 'ish".

On a related note, being the son of a skate(local Hants parlance for RN personnel), I spent a very long, post NI tour, alcoholic session in a local(Fareham) pub with a mate from 3RTR (CT, our most accomplished liar, for those in the know). We had a largish group of assembled RN types utterly convinced that we were in fact a branch of the Army which belonged, for historical reasons, to the Navy.
I seem to remember that among other things, all tank crewman held the honourary rank of Petty Officer, we were issued with Naval hammocks(true(ish) in the case of the Centurion apparently, and our pay came from the Admiralty. There were probably other embellishments, but I've been both drunk and asleep since then.

Happy days.
 

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