Tally Ho - Plinth at 4 OClock

#1
A statue of RAF hero Sir Keith Park is to be unveiled on the Fourth Plinth in Trafalgar Square later.

Sir Keith commanded RAF squadrons which defended London and the South East from World War II Luftwaffe attacks in 1940.
Good call I say... This Chap has all the right stuff.

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#2
Good to see, however, I've got money that it'll offend some peacenik and there'll be protests, or something similar.

:roll:
 
#3
About time isn't it?

Then while the Hippies are on the outrage bus to Trafalgar Square perhaps my Grandad can get a proper Bomber Command medal for the European campaign before the poor old sod dies.

Escaped from Poland, to France, to England. Joined Free Polish Air Force 1940, transferred to aircrew 1942, 22 return trips to Germany, 9 to France, 4 to Italy. Never landed there once. 'kin nails!

Goebbels declared total war but it seems it wasn't considered PC to have responded in kind. However it does seem it was PC to hand his country to Stalin afterwards.
 
#5
Roger_The_Cat said:
About time isn't it?

Then while the Hippies are on the outrage bus to Trafalgar Square perhaps my Grandad can get a proper Bomber Command medal for the European campaign before the poor old sod dies.

Escaped from Poland, to France, to England. Joined Free Polish Air Force 1940, transferred to aircrew 1942, 22 return trips to Germany, 9 to France, 4 to Italy. Never landed there once. 'kin nails!

Goebbels declared total war but it seems it wasn't considered PC to have responded in kind. However it does seem it was PC to hand his country to Stalin afterwards.
P1ss off home. We have enough of you bloody eastern european immigrants - benefits - housing - jobs etc. etc. etc.
 
#7
Seen it, done it got the t-shirt

Where ARRSE leads Crabs will follow
 
#8
Tango said:
Good to see, however, I've got money that it'll offend some peacenik and there'll be protests, or something similar.

:roll:
Well tell them at least it isn't Bomber Harris, Britains very own War Criminal.
 
#9
llech said:
Tango said:
Good to see, however, I've got money that it'll offend some peacenik and there'll be protests, or something similar.

:roll:
Well tell them at least it isn't Bomber Harris, Britains very own War Criminal.
You Sir!!!, Yes YOU, Go forth and multiply, at once d'ye hear!.
 
#10
Manley said:
llech said:
Tango said:
Good to see, however, I've got money that it'll offend some peacenik and there'll be protests, or something similar.

:roll:
Well tell them at least it isn't Bomber Harris, Britains very own War Criminal.
You Sir!!!, Yes YOU, Go forth and multiply, at once d'ye hear!.
Whilst i'm now labouring away multipling forthwards may i be permited to know why?
 
#11
llech said:
Manley said:
llech said:
Tango said:
Good to see, however, I've got money that it'll offend some peacenik and there'll be protests, or something similar.

:roll:
Well tell them at least it isn't Bomber Harris, Britains very own War Criminal.
You Sir!!!, Yes YOU, Go forth and multiply, at once d'ye hear!.
Whilst i'm now labouring away multipling forthwards may i be permited to know why?
"All the dead of all the German cities laid end to end are not worth the bones of a single British Grenadier". Quote attributed to 'Bomber' Harris after Dresden and one that I wholeheartedly agree with. War criminal indeed :evil: .
 
#12
Gremlin said:
It's a great idea, but I would have preferred to see statues of Dowding and Leigh-Mallory up there with him.
Dowding, yes. Leigh Mallory. No. Never. An egotist, self publicist and poor strategist. Leigh Mallory's 'big wing' strategy was a dismal failure plain to see for everyone but Leigh Mallory.
 
#13
walt_of_the_walts said:
Gremlin said:
It's a great idea, but I would have preferred to see statues of Dowding and Leigh-Mallory up there with him.
Dowding, yes. Leigh Mallory. No. Never. An egotist, self publicist and poor strategist. Leigh Mallory's 'big wing' strategy was a dismal failure plain to see for everyone but Leigh Mallory.
It should be Wilf Butler and Bill Tunnelly. Never heard of them? I'm not surprised.

Both were neighbours when I was kid. Bill was a TA Sherwood Forester in WW1 and Wilf an RAFVR Blenheim/Mosquito/Halifax pilot in WW2.

Nice, decent, unremarkable blokes that got their hands dirty but just as symbolic as figureheads like Dowding & Leigh Mallory. RIP to both of them.
 
#14
Bubbles_Barker said:
llech said:
Manley said:
llech said:
Tango said:
Good to see, however, I've got money that it'll offend some peacenik and there'll be protests, or something similar.

:roll:
Well tell them at least it isn't Bomber Harris, Britains very own War Criminal.
You Sir!!!, Yes YOU, Go forth and multiply, at once d'ye hear!.
Whilst i'm now labouring away multipling forthwards may i be permited to know why?
"All the dead of all the German cities laid end to end are not worth the bones of a single British Grenadier". Quote attributed to 'Bomber' Harris after Dresden and one that I wholeheartedly agree with. War criminal indeed :evil: .
Oh im sorry my mistake give him a posthumous V.C.
Even at the time he was being slagged as a war criminal. .
 
#15
llech said:
Bubbles_Barker said:
llech said:
Manley said:
llech said:
Tango said:
Good to see, however, I've got money that it'll offend some peacenik and there'll be protests, or something similar.

:roll:
Well tell them at least it isn't Bomber Harris, Britains very own War Criminal.
You Sir!!!, Yes YOU, Go forth and multiply, at once d'ye hear!.
Whilst i'm now labouring away multipling forthwards may i be permited to know why?
"All the dead of all the German cities laid end to end are not worth the bones of a single British Grenadier". Quote attributed to 'Bomber' Harris after Dresden and one that I wholeheartedly agree with. War criminal indeed :evil: .
Oh im sorry my mistake give him a posthumous V.C.
Even at the time he was being slagged as a war criminal. .
Not by the overwhelming majority of the wartime population.....
 
#16
4(T) said:
llech said:
Bubbles_Barker said:
llech said:
Manley said:
llech said:
Tango said:
Good to see, however, I've got money that it'll offend some peacenik and there'll be protests, or something similar.

:roll:
Well tell them at least it isn't Bomber Harris, Britains very own War Criminal.
You Sir!!!, Yes YOU, Go forth and multiply, at once d'ye hear!.
Whilst i'm now labouring away multipling forthwards may i be permited to know why?
"All the dead of all the German cities laid end to end are not worth the bones of a single British Grenadier". Quote attributed to 'Bomber' Harris after Dresden and one that I wholeheartedly agree with. War criminal indeed :evil: .
Oh im sorry my mistake give him a posthumous V.C.
Even at the time he was being slagged as a war criminal. .
Not by the overwhelming majority of the wartime population.....
Being popular doesn't always mean it right.
 
#17
What about the forgotten heroine of the Battle of Britain? What about the woman who made the creation of the Spitfire -- and the Hurricane, and the Mosquito, and the Mustang and the Lancaster -- possible? When is Poppy the ex-chorus girl going to get her statute unveiled?

Fanny Lucy Radmall was born sometime in the 1850's. As with many women, her birthdays in later life tended to be more honoured in the breach than in the observance, so the exact year is not certain. She was, however, as Charles Dickens might have said, descended from humble stock. A matter she quickly put right by becoming a chorus girl, acquiring her nickname of 'Poppy' and then marrying a Lord, as chorus girls were so wont to do in those happy days.

In Poppy's case, the lucky aristocrat was the Ninth Lord Byron. Or perhaps he wasn't so lucky, because the couple were divorced in 1917, leaving Lady Byron, as she now was, well endowed with coin of the realm. We can deduce this because she became the fifth woman ever to be made a Dame of the British Empire. The title was awarded for her work in paying for and running a rest home for exhausted nurses. Some of today's medical professionals might think it's high time such a facility was re-established.

So Poppy was now Lady Byron, DBE, and eventually married again. But truth to tell that didn't happen until 1924, when was in her sixties, so there no question of her groom being seduced by the feminine charms which Poppy had once displayed with such good effect on the stage. Her new husband's name was Sir Robert Paterson Houston. There are two important details about Sir Robert you need to know. One is that he died two years after marrying Poppy. The second is that he had been a shipping magnate of incredible wealth.

So by 1927 Lady Houston was perhaps the richest woman in the UK. It would be nice to say that she was universally loved and admired, but it wouldn't be true. She gave money to worthy causes, but she demanded complete obedience from all those who worked for her. She supported women's rights, but was totally committed to the Tory Party. A sincere patriot, she painted the rooms in her house red, white and blue, yet owned a scurrilous little newspaper which continually claimed the government were planning to sell Britain out to the communists.

But whatever the contradictions in her character, Poppy's patriotism was a genuinely burning flame in her soul. Whenever she thought it would help Britain, Lady Houston was ready to dig into her purse, and dig deep -- astonishingly deep. And in 1931 she decided to help Britain acquire some cutting edge technology in what was the ultimate race for the Schneider Trophy.

The Trophy was first offered in 1912 as a spur to the development of better seaplanes. By the late 1920s, the Schneider Trophy had evolved into the most prestigious prize in international aviation, with governments spending huge amounts to support national entries. The technology for these racers was far ahead of contemporary land based aircraft.

The United States, France, Italy and Britain had all won races but if Britain could win the 1931 race it would retain the Schneider Trophy in perpetuity. That was because Britain had won the 1929 race with a seaplane called the Supermarine S6, designed by R. J. Mitchell and fitted with a Rolls-Royce aero engine producing a then incredible 1,900 horsepower. However, shortly afterwards the Depression struck and the British government announced that it would not support a British entry for the race in 1931.

In desperation the Royal Aero Club tried to change the government's mind by appealing to the public for funds to support a British plane. The club hoped to raise 100,000 pounds. At the time the average weekly wage was around four pounds. My best guess is that in today's prices 100,000 pounds would be equivalent to at least a hundred million Australian dollars. Whatever, Lady Houston stepped in and said she would pay the entire sum herself if that was what it took to produce a British aircraft for the race.

Poppy's offer shamed the government back into supporting the 1931 entry. Within five months, Mitchell, Supermarine and Rolls Royce had two new aircraft ready, S-6B's, brilliant improvements on the 1929 S-6's.

Unfortunately, the race itself was a huge anti-climax. No other countries managed to get a challenger aircraft ready in time and the British won the Schneider Trophy by default. It must have seemed like a huge let down to Poppy. Although at least she had the consolation that an S-6B soon won the world speed record. But all that money spent on a no-show contest . . .

Yet, eventually, there was something to show for her cash. In 1935 Mitchell began designing a new fighter based on the S6-B's technology. It was eventually named the Spitfire, and the engine which powered it was called the Merlin, developed by Rolls-Royce from the engine used in the S-6B.

Sadly, between the first flight of the Spitfire and its entry into RAF service, both Lady Houston and R.J. Mitchell died, in his case at the age of forty two from cancer. Neither could have had more than an inkling that between them they'd changed history. And, as important as the Spitfire was, the real war winner that Poppy had left her nation was the Merlin engine.

Rolls-Royce developed four different types of aero engines before the war and three of them were total failures. Without the lessons learned in the Trophy races the Merlin might have gone the same way. Which would have meant no Spitfires or Hurricanes in the Battle of Britain, no Lancasters or Mosquitoes to bomb Germany and that incredible Anglo-American success story, the P-51 Mustang, wouldn't have been possible.

So I think that now would be a good time to give Poppy her due. I seriously suggest a statute of her, looking as she did when she was the toast of Edwardian London, arm in arm with two young pilots and with a suitable inscription: "POPPY HOUSTON -- THE FIRST OF THE FEW."
 
#18
Why do we tolerate the semi-literate 'oik' calling himself 'llech'?

Is this a case of freedom of speech and thought gone mad?

That the ill educated twerp referred to Air Chief Marshall Sir Arthur Harris, GCB, OBE, AFC, as 'our own war-criminal', or words to that effect, makes me want to have him, her, or it, eviscerated - whilst alive and in public.

He, she or it, is clearly one of those 'cushy' idealistic 'socialists' who, because of their limited brain power and lack of experience and education, imagine that the Second World War could have been won by telling 'Naughty' Mr. Hitler and his generals to be good!

Sir Arthur Harris was a 'right bastard' in military and possibly personal terms, and exactly what was needed. If the limp-wristed, sad little spunk bubbles, born generations after the event, do not understand, then that fact alone EXEMPLIFIES Bliar's failure in the field of education.

Learn German 'llech' you piece of tripe.

Finally, you disgusting speck of excrement, if you knew anything, you would know that there is the most excellent statue of ACM Sir Arthur Harris, unveiled by Late Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother, that I salute every Sunday on my way to church - why not go and urinate on it? You cretinous shite.
 
#19
llech said:
Manley said:
llech said:
Tango said:
Good to see, however, I've got money that it'll offend some peacenik and there'll be protests, or something similar.

:roll:
Well tell them at least it isn't Bomber Harris, Britains very own War Criminal.
You Sir!!!, Yes YOU, Go forth and multiply, at once d'ye hear!.
Whilst i'm now labouring away multipling forthwards may i be permited to know why?
Coventry.
 
#20
lsquared said:
Why do we tolerate the semi-literate 'oik' calling himself 'llech'?

Is this a case of freedom of speech and thought gone mad?

That the ill educated twerp referred to Air Chief Marshall Sir Arthur Harris, GCB, OBE, AFC, as 'our own war-criminal', or words to that effect, makes me want to have him, her, or it, eviscerated - whilst alive and in public.

He, she or it, is clearly one of those 'cushy' idealistic 'socialists' who, because of their limited brain power and lack of experience and education, imagine that the Second World War could have been won by telling 'Naughty' Mr. Hitler and his generals to be good!

Sir Arthur Harris was a 'right bastard' in military and possibly personal terms, and exactly what was needed. If the limp-wristed, sad little spunk bubbles, born generations after the event, do not understand, then that fact alone EXEMPLIFIES Bliar's failure in the field of education.

Learn German 'llech' you piece of tripe.

Finally, you disgusting speck of excrement, if you knew anything, you would know that there is the most excellent statue of ACM Sir Arthur Harris, unveiled by Late Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth The Queen Mother, that I salute every Sunday on my way to church - why not go and urinate on it? You cretinous shite.
My my you say the sweetest things - but your not getting in my knickers that way!
READ what i said and maybe look it up a little do a bit of research before opening that potty mouth of yours.
 

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