Talking2Minds - Are they what they seem?

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Tremaine

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#3
Good to see people making efforts to help themselves and others. Not so good having folks delving in to minds, dangerous territory. For me it's Combat Stress or Clinical Psychologists, GP's and mental health professionals, all the way for me, nothing less. Just IMHO.
 
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Snoreador

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#7
Dur Jarrod, you clearly didn't read it - it's Synergy!

I hope this clarifies things for you.
 
#8
As a patient of Combat Stress and spending 4-5 weeks in total every year as an inpatient I do have opinions on a lot of these Johnny come lately Charities that have sprung up to offer all of these new PTSD solutions. Firstly PTSD is a Psychiatric condition that requires expert medical help. A lot of these new commers have done a few courses and offer there own 'solutions'. I am very cynical of folk who want to make an income/living from PTSD related illnesses. When you have a correct diagnosis of PTSD by a Consultant Shrink they will draw up a Holistic Care Plan involving Medication and other treatments.

I totally trust the long established Charity Combat Stress and know that I would not be here now if they had not stepped in to help me.

There are 'new' charities & folk that are trying to secure government funding to help ex UK Military with PTSD. There is one in Edinburgh with an office in a very expensive location that advised a good mate of mine to stop using CS as they were ex Veterans helping ex Veterans. It turns that they had some pilot funding and saw CS as a competitor.

Most of these non Combat Stress 'solutions' are simply talking shops and out to make a few easy pound. They are not regulated, they are not able to issue prescriptions. The human mind is a very very complex bit of engineering that needs specialist medical help and support mechanisms.
 
#11
It appears to be a form of Neuro-linguistic Programming, which is highly commercialised and tends to make some rather fantastical claims based on lots of anecdotes but little scientific research. Considering they provide little information on what the treatment is other than a snappy name, I would be wary of using their services
 
#12
If you follow Jarrod's link, you'll also see they're using Slingsby's image and a link to our broken website. No idea who gave permission for that ... I don't recall saying they could, and nor does Slingsby! Incidentally, their reference to "at Clinton Cards" is borrocks. Slingsby did come from Clinton Cards some years ago, but he was a limited edition [long expired] so there's no way any of the Hols4H/Slingsby Team would have agreed that text.

Thanks for the heads-up, Jarrod. I've asked them to remove the picture and linky. I'll see what happens.
 
#13
Given this level of doubt, are we satisfied that Paxman's service claims are kosher (and I know McNab appears to validate him, but in this respect, I would draw your attention to the responses to the first suggestions that Bob Spour was not all he claimed).
 

jarrod248

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#14
Given this level of doubt, are we satisfied that Paxman's service claims are kosher (and I know McNab appears to validate him, but in this respect, I would draw your attention to the responses to the first suggestions that Bob Spour was not all he claimed).
I don't care really about what service claims he has. The chap could have been led along. I'm happy for any of these new treatment providers to show evidence they work. We have seen many gaining money but in fact could make people worse. The websites always have loads of people saying how it worked for them. We've seen loads of sockpuppets on here from the human givens and others.
 
#15
If you follow Jarrod's link, you'll also see they're using Slingsby's image and a link to our broken website. No idea who gave permission for that ... I don't recall saying they could, and nor does Slingsby! Incidentally, their reference to "at Clinton Cards" is borrocks. Slingsby did come from Clinton Cards some years ago, but he was a limited edition [long expired] so there's no way any of the Hols4H/Slingsby Team would have agreed that text.

Thanks for the heads-up, Jarrod. I've asked them to remove the picture and linky. I'll see what happens.
They were asked to remove that link almost a year ago.

There was a historical reciprocal link going back to the Garrison Girls, which Hodges used to be a member of. After a massive spat between them they were asked to remove Slingsby from their site, and that is also why they adopted that American looking thing.
 
#18
I don't care really about what service claims he has. The chap could have been led along. I'm happy for any of these new treatment providers to show evidence they work. We have seen many gaining money but in fact could make people worse. The websites always have loads of people saying how it worked for them. We've seen loads of sockpuppets on here from the human givens and others.
Evidence has been asked for many times and no response, the only evidence that there appears to be is a study by some PhD students that cannot be found.
 

jarrod248

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#19
Evidence has been asked for many times and no response, the only evidence that there appears to be is a study by some PhD students that cannot be found.
If anyone asks about my work which is mainly to do with drug use and mental health I'd be able to back any of it up. I could give you a list of randomised clinical trials or you could find them easily yourself. The work I've done with NICE on psychosocial interventions can be easily found but if someone sells something on blind faith it's quite different. The only NHS commissioners who will buy such things don't know what they are buying. The majority of clinicians are so deep rooted in evidence based practice these days that this type of 'cure' is harder to be funded. They have to work on desperate people and non clinical staff. They cling on to some supporters who may well have been or still are special forces but sometimes they also can't see the wood for the trees.
 
#20
I cannot disagree,

It worries me that a Group of people with no medical experience can just set up a charity and make claims as they do with no proof or medical support or aftercare and are working with desperate veterans who would accept and believe any form of treatment.




If anyone asks about my work which is mainly to do with drug use and mental health I'd be able to back any of it up. I could give you a list of randomised clinical trials or you could find them easily yourself. The work I've done with NICE on psychosocial interventions can be easily found but if someone sells something on blind faith it's quite different. The only NHS commissioners who will buy such things don't know what they are buying. The majority of clinicians are so deep rooted in evidence based practice these days that this type of 'cure' is harder to be funded. They have to work on desperate people and non clinical staff. They cling on to some supporters who may well have been or still are special forces but sometimes they also can't see the wood for the trees.
 

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