Taleban pose in dead soldiers uniform

#1
And you though the UK press was bad....

A picture of a Taleban fighter in the uniform of a dead French soldier drew anger in France yesterday as the army came under new fire over its conduct in an ambush that killed ten paratroopers in Afghanistan last month.

Paris Match magazine was condemned by politicians, the military and soldiers' families for publishing a spread of Taleban posing with their French trophies from the battle, east of Kabul, on August 18. These included Famas assault rifles, helmets, body armour, walkie-talkies and a watch that the Taleban asked the magazine to return to the family of the soldier who had owned it.

A Taleban commander identified as Faruki told Match reporters that the insurgents would kill all the French in Afghanistan unless they pulled out of the Nato operation there.

"We are sickened," a soldier at the French base at Kabul, said of the photographs. "After killing our mates it's like the Taleban coming and pissing on their coffins," the unnamed private told Europe 1 radio.

Hervé Morin, the Defence Minister, said that Match was advertising for the enemy. "The Taleban are waging a war of communication with this kind of operation. They have understood that public opinion is probably the Achilles’ heel of the international community that is in Afghanistan,” he said.

Joel le Pahun, the father of one of the dead soldiers, called the photographs pitiful. "It hurts a lot to see these murderers parading with the clothes of the kids that they have killed," he said.

Eric de Lavarene, the journalist who interviewed the Taleban, denied being used by them. The Taleban account was legitimate news, he said. “No one talks of propaganda when we work embedded with Nato troops......,
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4675361.ece

Hopefully Sarko will unleash the full intrusive weight of the French State on this fcuking rag, its owner and the utter piece of scum that did the ‘reporting’ .
 

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#3
This has caused outrage in France and has been condemmed from all directions.

It seems some journo got the "scoup" of interviewing the taliban fighters who were involved in the firefight with French soldiers recently. To support their claim the taliban produced kit and some personal effects of the 10 dead French soldiers and posed for photos.
The journos first thought should have been to pass the intelligence to someone appropriate along with some handy photo ID's - instead the lowlife put self interest first, forgot what respect is, forgot about the pain to families and friends, forgot about actively supporting the enemy - e.g. behaved as people with no base concept of duty or morality do.

The French are not happy, there will be follow up and consequences for those whose "misjudgement" allowed this to occur it seems.
 
#4
Its not that bad in comparison to dropping a JDAM and killing 70 Civilians?

Far worse things happen in war........ another non story, which will undoubtedly end up being blown out of all proportion.

How many pictures of Brit squaddies are taken holding Iraqi helmets, AK-47s, or Afgan spoils of war........ or even be photographed with bodies?
 
#5
Cant work out if I'm "OUTRAGED" or "DISGUSTED"

Do you think they stole their wine and cheese from their rat packs too?
That would tip me over the edge to "HORRIFIED"

Still after 30 minutes on the web, not managed to find a copy of the piccys yet
 
#6
If Soviet newspaper would publish photos of German troops in Soviet uniforms, with Soviet weapons in hands then it would only strengthen the will to defeat the enemy. Why? Because it was a just war.

If the war in Afghanistan has good justification then (in theory) French public opinion should be more supportive toward the war.

So we come to an obvious conclusion that the problem is not in the photos themselves. The problem is in the war, in its justification.
 

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#7
minister_doh_nut said:
Its not that bad in comparison to dropping a JDAM and killing 70 Civilians?

Far worse things happen in war........ another non story, which will undoubtedly end up being blown out of all proportion.

How many pictures of Brit squaddies are taken holding Iraqi helmets, AK-47s, or Afgan spoils of war.
Pretty mong'ish comment.

Imagine a photo of the IRA in balaclavas posing and laughing with dead squaddies kit and showing off the watch they took from a dead tom? Then imagine it being published in Time magazine?

Not quite a non-story if French public opinion gets anti enough to result in a French pull out of Ag.

Its certainly not a non-story in France right now.
 

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#8
polar69 said:
Cant work out if I'm "OUTRAGED" or "DISGUSTED"

Do you think they stole their wine and cheese from their rat packs too?
That would tip me over the edge to "HORRIFIED"

Still after 30 minutes on the web, not managed to find a copy of the piccys yet
Match pulled the photos yesterday.
 
#11
Of course Nato troops would never pose for photographs with captured enemy equipment.

Interesting that the Taliban Commander wished to return personal effects ( a watch) to the deceased's family.

British media showed Service personnel captured by enemy forces in the past, let alone captured pieces of equipment. I think there's perhaps an overreaction here.

:awaits incoming:
 
#12
KGB_resident said:
If Soviet newspaper would publish photos of German troops in Soviet uniforms, with Soviet weapons in hands then it would only strengthen the will to defeat the enemy. Why? Because it was a just war.

If the war in Afghanistan has good justification then (in theory) French public opinion should be more supportive toward the war.

So we come to an obvious conclusion that the problem is not in the photos themselves. The problem is in the war, in its justification.
The Soviet example isn't the same as the Germans would be seen as collectively insulting the Soviet People. The French on the other hand are angry because of the insult caused to the individuals in question, and the Taliban's disregard for their lives. Did the Soviet citizens exposed to pictures for a moment concider the tragedy of what had happened to the people who used to own the uniforms the Germans were wearing? Doubtful. The Soviets put the state and cause before the individual. We should be proud that we, unlike the USSR, can see beyond the state and cause and see the people.
 
#13
EX_STAB said:
Of course Nato troops would never pose for photographs with captured enemy equipment.

Interesting that the Taliban Commander wished to return personal effects ( a watch) to the deceased's family.

British media showed Service personnel captured by enemy forces in the past, let alone captured pieces of equipment. I think there's perhaps an overreaction here.

:awaits incoming:
Posing with an AK is one thing. Prising the no-doubt blood-stained and bullet-ridden uniform of a corpse and playing dress-up is quite another.
 
#14
polar69 said:
Cant work out if I'm "OUTRAGED" or "DISGUSTED"

Do you think they stole their wine and cheese from their rat packs too?
That would tip me over the edge to "HORRIFIED"

Still after 30 minutes on the web, not managed to find a copy of the piccys yet
I have. They're not that bad, but no doubt a bit of a shock to the system for Frenchie. They've got enough equipment to be able to pass a couple of self detonating rag-heids right past guards half-asleep at checkpoints without so much of a second glance, so that'll be an issue.

[Edited to add] We've killed the two leaders from that photo-op, but no comments on wheter the misplaced uniforms and equipment have been located.
 
#15
Paris Match magazine was condemned by politicians, the military and soldiers' families for publishing a spread of Taleban posing with their French trophies from the battle, east of Kabul, on August 18. These included Famas assault rifles, helmets, body armour, walkie-talkies and a watch that the Taleban asked the magazine to return to the family of the soldier who had owned it.
The photos aside, this little snippet is interesting given the horror-stories about how the Taleban treat their enemies' dead and wounded. As a 'hearts and minds' campaign isn't something one would normally associate with the Taleban, is this an individual commander's / unit's display of humanity or a cynical exercise in propaganda to the French by them? "We're only fighting for our country, we're not animals, here, have the personal effects back."

The Coalition has been very good at encouraging the "monster myth" that helps nations fight wars - the enemy has no human identity, no family or social structures that one can identify with etc. so maybe this is the Taleban's psy-ops team in action.
 
#17
I assume this is the article that caused the outrage:

http://www.parismatch.com/parismatc...ibans-qui-ont-abattu-les-dix-soldats-francais

The one thing that dumbfounds me about journalists is that they route down criminals/enemy (in lots of instances) but the int doesn't seem to get passed on. If I found out a master-criminals hideout was and interviewed him I'd be straight onto the old bill to get him nicked.....why doesn't this (seem to) happen?
 
#18
polar69 said:
Cant work out if I'm "OUTRAGED" or "DISGUSTED"

Do you think they stole their wine and cheese from their rat packs too?
That would tip me over the edge to "HORRIFIED"

Still after 30 minutes on the web, not managed to find a copy of the piccys yet
If you're that outraged or disgusted then why are you so desperate to find the pictures, that just means the journalist has done a bloody good job by producing this article. It may not be liked by many people but that's not his job, his job to produce a story that interests people whether it is negative or positive interest.

I have to agree with MDN, what is the difference between a Taliban fighter parading with captured French kit and a British soldier parading with captured Taliban kit?
 
#19
bensonby said:
I assume this is the article that caused the outrage:

http://www.parismatch.com/parismatc...ibans-qui-ont-abattu-les-dix-soldats-francais

The one thing that dumbfounds me about journalists is that they route down criminals/enemy (in lots of instances) but the int doesn't seem to get passed on. If I found out a master-criminals hideout was and interviewed him I'd be straight onto the old bill to get him nicked.....why doesn't this (seem to) happen?
I doubt that the Taliban give the journalist the postal address of their hideout in order to meet up. More than likely the journalist will meet someone very junior at a random location and then be led blindfolded several miles to the meeting point, taking a very convoluted route to get there.
 

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