Taleban is active in Helmand

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  1. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4855634.stm

    RIP boys.

    I have heard on radio Echo of Moscow that the second soldier is Canadian. Such sad losses. On Sunday I met with brither of my wife who spent two years in Afghanistan (in Kabul and Kandagar). He recalled killed fellows.

    I'm sure that problem of Afghanistan can't be resolved without Afghans. There was pro-Soviet government in 80's. It was at least purely secular. As we see the danger of Taleban comeback is real. Present (really decorative) Afghani government is unable to resolve any serious problem. So all anti-Taleban forces should be mobilised to form (not pro-American, pro-European or pro-Russian) but simply normal secular government.

    By the way my son recently met two Pushtuns from Kandagar, sons of Afghani general. They live in Moscow and speak Russian. They told that recently they visited their homeland and they told about unimaginable level of lawlessness. Anybody with Kalashnikov (they suspect that even soldiers, maybe even mostly) can demand $50 for right not to die.

    Without joint efforts, it would be a waste of time and lives to sent troops in Afghanistan.
     
  2. How very true. Let's see how long it takes us to learn this singular fact.
     
  3. Goatman

    Goatman LE Book Reviewer

    ...and the shame of it is, I'm sure the former Red Army has a lot of valuable operational understanding and "lessons identified" that would be a real help to the 5,000 Britfor troops who'll be deploying to Helmand province this summer. Not so sure about the Russian ' Hearts and Minds ' approach.....Peace Through Frontal Aviation ?

    Let's hope some of the Soviet Lessons Identified can be made into Lessons Learned and save soldiers' lives.
     
  4. The main problem in Afghanistan is WATER. A cousin of my father still lives in Tashkent (Uzbekistan). In 70's he worked as an engineer in the Nothern Afghanistan, installed irrigational systems. Soviet command helped local tribesmen to dig wells. It worked. Soviet civil specialists that determined the best places for wells were untouchable and were the most wellcomed guests to Afghans.

    Soviet command used some regiments formed mainly from Soviet Tdjiks and Uzbeks. It worked too (in the Nothern Afghanistan). When the locals saw soldiers that speaks language that they speak then it was very helpfull to win hearts and minds.

    There is a lot of Arabs in the UK. But how many of them are in the British armed forces? in Iraq? Too few I suppose.

    The main point of course is a reliable, strong local army. It is obvious.

    As for the experience then the British knows Afghanistan pretty well.
     
  5. A French SF patrol was subject to a RCVBIED a few days ago near Spin Buldack. A car loaded with rockets and artillery shells waited for the vehicle patrol, tried to force its way into it in order to detonate the charges in the midst of the convoy.

    The driver was killed by a French SF trooper while trying to activate the IED and instead of blowing up, the shells just smouldered...

    The incident was reported by a number of French dailies but I suppose it did not reach the British shores.
     
  6. Goatman

    Goatman LE Book Reviewer

    well for sure Fantassin (why have you chosen the French Army's in-house magazine as a user name?) it came as news to me that there were currently MORE French troops in Afghanistan than there are British.... and twice as many Germans as Canadians...

    As far as most of the British reportage is concerned it's us and the Yanks - who would know any better ?

    source: ISAF site at http://www.nato.int/issues/afghanistan/040628-factsheet.htm

    Bienvenu aux ARRSE ! 8)

    Le Chevre
     
  7. The US figure probably is correct for ISAF. The US also has 18,000 or so troops in Afghanistan under the seperate Operation Enduring Freedom. If you recall, there was some debate amongst the Europeans about making sure ISAF and OEF were kept seperate.
     
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    And now. Perhap we just don't get the message that the Afghans would perhaps like to rule themselves.
     
  9. Goatman

    Goatman LE Book Reviewer

     
  10. Separate? Do you believe Andy that separate operations could be effective. Or maybe it is a right time to split NATO in separate parts. This separation could be very logical. Moreover the separation could give Russia an opportunuty to be a member of NATO. Why not?
     
  11. 307

    307 War Hero

    Would Russia ever want to be a partner of NATO. Considering some gen i learned a couple of weeks ago about a certain balkan airfield, NATO forces and Russians were hours away from exchanging fire.
     
  12. Canada has 2800 soldiers and supportin Afghanistan and the overall command of the Khandahar operation is under a Canadian general who just took over from the Dutch...