Taggart

#1
Did anyone else see this farfetched piece of ridiculous drama on Friday night? I started off watching for amusement to see how unconvincing a portrayal of the Army it would be. As I watched I became more and more indignant at what I was seeing. I know it is just some TV show, but I found myself genuiunely angry at the cliched characters and the misrepresentation of military training. God forbid that any Potential Recruits out there saw this programme and took it at face value. Disturbing to think that the general public have this type of picture painted for them.

Not sure if this is the right forum for this thread, but am posting it anyway.
 
#2
I agree with you it was so far fetched as to be a travesty and I think the programme makers should be forced to give some sort of health warrnning with it such as "this programme is absolute c*ap and is not based on any kind of reality".
 
#3
listen this - being a member of an otc in taggarts home city we actually appeared in one of the episodes about two years ago as a corps. All we had to do was march about in front of a building whilst inside the murderers former troopy was questioned. £70 for three hours work-not to bad although most of that dissapeared cause we went out on the skite after. Missed the episode on friday cause i was out ( on the skite ) - how bad on a badness scale of 1 to 10 how was it? (10 being high and 11.7 higher still)
 
#4
Although it was crap, there was one part that did make me laugh.

During the questioning of the young girl

"During the 2 years in the forces did you ever train in firearms" :lol: :lol: :roll:
 

Percy_Pigeon

War Hero
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#5
Poor just poor.

I was under the impression that the forces (Army) offered an LO for these matters it was certainly not as accurate as the similar frost a few years ago.

I did recognise the training Sgt from basic, his characterisation was accurate, if not the research.

If there was an LO imagine the sh*t he is getting.

THIS PIGEONS FLYING THE COOP
 
#6
BAAAAD, Truly terrible. The plot was of the tabloidesque Deepcut variety, the SNCO Instr would have been convincing if not so OTT, but the scriptwriter had no idea about mil life - big bad Sgt ate meals in Jr Ranks cookhouse so that he could intimidate them all even more, there was a bunker in the training area where troops were locked in solitary for transgressing the 'code'. (And I'm not talking core values here). The recruits were consistently referred to as trainees (!) Everyone seemed to have free access to weapons and live ammunition. The Sgt trained all the recruits by himself - no JNCOs, no Range Safety for what looked like a field firing ex. And the recruits were all superfit and spent all of their evenings playing cards as opposed to pressing their kit, or being marched to the NAAFI to be fleeced when buying polish, hangers, selvyts etc. Recruits did a squadded run alone without a PTI and were wearing CS95 (no blue bobby charltons or PT vest red/green in sight). But the biscuit was taken when the recruits were driven straight away in Deserts at the end to go to the sandpit. Would have been funny were it not for the blatant misrepresentation of what training is really like.
 
#7
mini_rq said:
listen this - being a member of an otc in taggarts home city we actually appeared in one of the episodes about two years ago as a corps. All we had to do was march about in front of a building whilst inside the murderers former troopy was questioned. £70 for three hours work-not to bad although most of that dissapeared cause we went out on the skite after. Missed the episode on friday cause i was out ( on the skite ) - how bad on a badness scale of 1 to 10 how was it? (10 being high and 11.7 higher still)
When I was living in XXXXXXX, my wife and I were walking home one day when we were stopped by a rather tall man wearing a white summer Trilby (sorry, can’t think of the correct name). He stopped us and asked “do you know where XXXXX House is”? My wife, who is a real star-spotter, said. “Your Taggart aren’t you”? The big fellah, said “Aye, and a bloody fine detective aren’t I”?

I was really surprised how tall he was in real life. My wife was really embarrassed that she said what she said

This was just a short time before the old guy passed away.

He was a real star! :lol:
 
#8
captainchaos said:
Did anyone else see this farfetched piece of ridiculous drama on Friday night? I started off watching for amusement to see how unconvincing a portrayal of the Army it would be. As I watched I became more and more indignant at what I was seeing. I know it is just some TV show, but I found myself genuiunely angry at the cliched characters and the misrepresentation of military training. God forbid that any Potential Recruits out there saw this programme and took it at face value. Disturbing to think that the general public have this type of picture painted for them.

Not sure if this is the right forum for this thread, but am posting it anyway.
It was complete and utter B*llocks and surpassed the previous Army-related episode in its cringe-worthyness. :evil:
 
#9
Off on a tangent, I know, but: Rumrunner, the term you are looking for is Panama hat. Maybe you should look at the thread regarding sartorial matters in the Ossifers forum :wink: get boned up on panamas vs trilbys etc. While you are there you could get ideas for some nice red moleskins and tweed checked sports jacket :lol:
 
#10
captainchaos said:
Off on a tangent, I know, but: Rumrunner, the term you are looking for is Panama hat. Maybe you should look at the thread regarding sartorial matters in the Ossifers forum :wink: get boned up on panamas vs trilbys etc. While you are there you could get ideas for some nice red moleskins and tweed checked sports jacket :lol:
Thank you, thank you. If you can be sure of one thing on ARRSE, it’s that there is intelligent life out there somewhere.

ROTFLMAO :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
 
#11
mini_rq said:
listen this - being a member of an otc in taggarts home city we actually appeared in one of the episodes about two years ago as a corps. All we had to do was march about in front of a building whilst inside the murderers former troopy was questioned. £70 for three hours work-not to bad although most of that dissapeared cause we went out on the skite after. Missed the episode on friday cause i was out ( on the skite ) - how bad on a badness scale of 1 to 10 how was it? (10 being high and 11.7 higher still)
Ahhhhaahhh - so there are members of that OTC actually made it onto the interweb, net, thingy.... :lol:

haven't seen many of them on here...... not that own up anyway.

well was - many moons ago - I was a member of the same OTC in Taggarts home city... glorious institution it was (is?) too.

and also watched the episode on Friday and can honestly say it was the biggest load of cliched, stereotypical tripe that I have seen in a long time. Absolute rubbish. On your scale it would fit in at about 11.89

And funnily enough it was originally meant to be shown much earlier on the current series - and was scheduled for the same day as the Deepcut Report was aired/published (or not as the case may be).... so that caused a case of brown trousers and a hasty re-arranging of the schedule.
 
#12
taggarts otc is still pretty good - when did you leave?
if its within the past 3 and a bit years give me some nicknames and i will fill you in on all the gory details
 
#13
mini_rq said:
taggarts otc is still pretty good - when did you leave?
if its within the past 3 and a bit years give me some nicknames and i will fill you in on all the gory details
oh shit - if answer that it will give away just how much of a crumbly old git I am.... well not that old really.....

finshed with them in 1992, after 4 damn fine years... and moved on to the wider T.A world for a while, although toyed with the Reg's and changed mind at the last minute.

was back for a visit in 1993 - but havent been near the place since then.... alas, havent even been in Scotland for at least 7 years. :(


They must be getting ready for 'Christmas Camp' - if that still happens - was always the same barracks we went to for that..... on that note, remember "A Corp's girl is for Christmas (Camp), not for life..." :lol:

anyways - to save thread hi-jacking if there are any purely OTC matters, just drop a PM, be interested to hear how it has changed and so on.
 
#17
Ting-Tong said:
Although it was crap, there was one part that did make me laugh.

During the questioning of the young girl

"During the 2 years in the forces did you ever train in firearms" :lol: :lol: :roll:
Or the bit where the chap was shot from the other side of the street (<30M) by someone with an SA80/Susat combo and they declared this to be the work of a "crack shot, probably a sniper"
 

Percy_Pigeon

War Hero
Book Reviewer
#18
Mongoose said:
Off on another tangent; Taggart died on the same as George Peppard (Hannibal Smith) from the same illness :E

mmmmm

Remedial typing and extra thinking, me thinks.

Have another go Tagart is in Scottish not Arse
 
#19
Percy_Pigeon said:
Poor just poor.

I was under the impression that the forces (Army) offered an LO for these matters it was certainly not as accurate as the similar frost a few years ago.
Disappointing really, because this is the second time that Taggart has had a forces theme, and the first one wasn't too bad.

Anyway, back in the distant mists of the mid-1990s, I got a phone call from a work colleague of an ex-neighbour of my parents who happened to be the costume editor for Taggart. He'd been told to go and sort out some mess dress for a Dinner Night sequence, and some cap badges and stuff (my suggestions involved nipping into one of the Regimental museums and getting Cameronian, RSF, or HLI accoutrements - nice, accurate, and non-attributable)

"Hmmm." says I after he has started to ask about rank badges et al "what you want is to walk into the ACIO in Glasgow, for they have nice posters adorned with pictures of such things. Actually, make sure you talk to an infantry SNCO, tell them what you're doing, and they'll fall over themselves to help you get it right".

Anyway, having shown him what mess dress looked like, made my opinions known on how crap headdress on actors always looked, and generally tried to be helpful, he went away happy.

About then, I started to wonder whether this fell under the "don't talk to the media" rules... and decided that if it all looked bloody awful, I would just keep stumm (the bloke was working on a tiny budget, how he managed to generate fifteen sets of plausible-looking mess kit I'll never know). By sheer coincidence, the murderer ended up with the same surname as me :) and it was reckoned to be not too bad an effort. So, now you know.
 
#20
Gravelbelly said:
made my opinions known on how crap headdress on actors always looked, and generally tried to be helpful, he went away happy.
and that's another point the ToS's were damn awful..... ranging from helicopter landing pad to worn at such a drooped over slant it looked like it was melting and dripping onto the shoulder.

8O
 
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