Tactical torches

#1
Does anyone know where i can buy a tactical torch at a reasonable price. I have been looking on the net but can only seem to find one torch. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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#2
By tactical torch do you mean one with a red filter?

Try your local army surplus shop and get a Maglite 2AA with a red filter.

Talk to the more experienced guys in your outfit and find out where they get kit from.
 
#3
Depends on your definition of tactical torch, mate. Some consider red light to be dimmer, but it is actually more visible from further away. The onloy advantage of red light is that it does not make as much of a pigs ear of your night vision. BUT you cant map read with it. Best bet is to get yourself a AA maglite (black one of course) and the rubber neck filter kit, so you can take the red lense on and off - so use the red lense in harbour areas (only if you REALLY need light of course) and when you need to stop on a patrol to map read use white light, shut your right (aiming) eye, and get others to group around you to shield the light from view.
To be honest there is no such thing as a tactical torch, and almost all light will get you shot at. Your best bet is to have good recce, proper rehearsals, a good tactical model and (in harbour areas) not leave your kit everywhere. If you are worried about not being able to find your pit at night after coming off stag, rig up the green string hand rail at waist height and get yourself a trilux arrow from your local surplus store and clip it above your basha.
Mag lites available from Blacks, along with the filter kit and rubber neck. I believe they do a forces discount, so have your MoD 90 handy.
 
#4
Maglite is definately the way to go. Dont bother getting the packs with the filter holders and lanyard etc, if necessary just get a permanent red marker and colour in the clear filter.

A good quick surplus store is www.sofmilitary.com have a check in there, i think they give discount, other than that look in Millets or Blacks, they give a 10% discount for CCF, OTC and the like.

I also have a small torchlight on my smock zip, it shines a blue light and is useful in emergencies or if you are under good cover.
 
#5
Cover lens with black nasty, make tiny pin prick hole enough to read maps by but not enough to be mistaken for a lighthouse in the desert.

I think this was covered a few months back and a submariner popped up and said ( :D ) that the subs had done away with red light in the hatch ways at night and just had a dimmer switch for the white light. (please insert commas and full stops where you feel neccesarym and feel free to correct the spelling)

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#6
If you want the red light and are too cheap to buy a red filter, try the plastic off a baby bell wrapper, then just black and nasty that around the maglite.
Personaly i prefer pinprick white light, but your section comander probably won't accept it, whatever you do, don't get one of those shite plastic right agled torches that weight a tonne and use D cells...
 
#7
SKJOLD said:
I think this was covered a few months back and a submariner popped up and said ( :D ) that the subs had done away with red light in the hatch ways at night and just had a dimmer switch for the white light.
We still use them in tanks during the night and on stag. Still shines out like a bugger on a night sight though, as the KRH found out to their peril in BATUS this year!
 

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#8
Skjold's right, the taped torch with a pinhole is the method taught at Brecon.

However if you want the best of both worlds, try the Code 4 Jr torch, it's switchable from red to white.
Use NSN 6230-01-353-4468 to demand it...... :lol: :lol: :lol:
Otherwise there are some surplus stores which stock them.

You can mail order them from the boxheads here: http://www.armeebedarf.de/index.htm...lampe_Code_4_JR_Night_Sight_Light__neu765.htm
 
#9
Thanks, Cuts

ISTR that helicopter chaps dont like white light near their aircraft when their NVGs are fired up, but red is OK (if necessary)
 
#10
The only way to read a map on patrol is the same as the only way to smoke on patrol. Get a 3 cell aa maglite (as used by NYPD as a cosh) and when you stop, tip everything out of your bergen and stick your head in it for a smoke and / or map check. Easy! As taught to me by the author of Soldier I who seems to have survived in one piece practicing this.

Dont be a slave to convention.
ExT

(Actually the advice above is all good).
 
#12
Red light, no map contours.
Green light, no wood features.
Blue light, no water features.

As said before in this thread, masked white light is the way ahead.

They teach this at Brecon, and they're the experts apparently :)

Baggy
 
#13
When i was a young cadet on dartmoor, I had a muppet of a navigator. He almost lead a section into a ravine because he was reading under red light. You shouldn't need light except for reading maps, and the pinprick method is ace. You can use a tiny single AA maglite, and have a 5mm slit in it. If u need extra light, just push slightly on the nasty until it sticks to the lens. It will temporarly open the slit further, then in about 30 secs it comes unstuck, closing the slight to a pinprick again.
Never heard of the bergan method. It would be ******* funny if they came under contact while you had your head in a bag!
 
#14
Agreed, not sure Id ever use that method, regardless of its origin :?
Id forgotten about the pin prick (not usually entrusted with a map y'see - gives me ideas) and yes this works well also. On a different note, short of wandering around like Boris Karloff with your arms outstretched, harbour areas in pitch black forest - white light, red light, blue light, trilux marker arrows and string or just dont faakin' choose such a daft position...
 
#15
BigJobs said:
Never heard of the bergan method. It would be * funny if they came under contact while you had your head in a bag!
The alternative is to get one of those elasticated bergen covers. Put bergen down, pull off cover, pull around head and shoulders, use masked white light inside.

I've even tried giving a set of orders that way; easier than having a poncho pulleddown over you.... Anyway, Recce Wing didn't ridicule it as a method, so it couldn't have been that crap an idea.

The benefit is that you can find your bergen instantly among many. The (big) disadvantage is that they aren't IRR, as far as I know
 
#16
Bleedin 'ell! Heads in bergans, taking bergan covers off to hide inside, soldier 'I' giving torch lessons?
Here's Stabtastic's cut out and throw away guide:
Bergan - army issue torch with filters, CQMS can replace it and batteries, and you can use for giving lights, lots of, when needed, or for the NATO T when you're marking the FUP for the Bn (for when the OC wants to impress the CO, or when the guides haven't been able to be briefed, or when the guides are f@ckwits and you've forgotten to brief them - delete as applicable).
Smock - little torch; mini-maglite-type, black tape over the lens with a hole.
Minimise use by learning the route.

When giving orders, crowd in under a poncho if you must, but the sight of an NCO/offr giving orders to me from under a bergan cover ('pardon sir, what was that?') doesn't really do it for me, I have to say...
Now let's have no more nonsense about torches and let's get back to the NAAFI...
 
#17
stabtastic said:
but the sight of an NCO/offr giving orders to me from under a bergan cover ('pardon sir, what was that?') doesn't really do it for me, I have to say...
I should say that it was a very quick set of orders, all three of us were under the bergen cover, and we could all see the map..... and that we were (for exercise purposes) forward of FLOT in section(+) strength, so the brightly lit 9x9 behind the FFR LR wasn't really an option....
 
#18
My dear chap, you really don't have to explain yourself. If you want to carry a bergan cover around in case you all want to disapear inside for a quick chat, I certainly won't stop you.
 
#19
Personally use a combination of the Code 4 pilot's torch and a mini maglite with a tiny slit in it.

The code 4 is a great piece of kit, built from black knurled aluminium like a maglite but has an rubber on/off switch, integral lanyard loop and a built in diffused red filter. The filter itself is bolted to the perspex at the business end and is put in and out of use by pushing the end bezel in and out from the main torch body. Because it has diffused red light it knackers your night vision even less and also is less likely to be clocked by those you don't want to see it. Combine this with a maglite with a black nastied slit over the perspex and your map reading difficulties are over. I found that a bit of precision and a stanley knife works best cutting your slit before you apply it to the maglite works best.

If you're wanting a beast of a beacon that can still be used "Tactically" try a red PALite. This bugger uses an LED plugged into a 9v battery and can be seen for miles when on High Intensity (2 Hours) or Strobe (20 Hours) Settings but also has a nice soft light that can be used when on the default "Always On" mode (2 years) and a slightly brighter setting which is about the same as a maglite with a red filter (200 Hours). Brilliant piece of kit, I think H3 products (formerly Traser) are still fligging these in Red, Blue, White, Green and Infra Red variants.

Good Luck.
 

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