Tactical radio teams train for speedier battlefield extractions

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  1. meridian

    meridian LE Good Egg (charities)

    Wasn't sure where to put this, Inf or Sigs, so decided on the QM forum

    This from the MoD today

    Ministry of Defence | Defence News | Training and Adventure | Tactical radio teams train for speedier battlefield extractions

    RSigs Infantry Support Teams being attached to infantry battalions, enough of which means that every patrol will have an uber signaller who is also a medic so they can liaise with medical teams.

    What a bloody great idea

    Wasn't BOWMAN supposed to do all this though, has signalling got so complicated that we need specialists at patrol level?

    Any down sides to this?
  2. I'm not yet clued up on the make up of an infantry patrol. But from the layman point of view, I'm not sure about them doubling as the teams medic. I mean, if it's a serious incident that requires immediate casevac would a "medic" be busy enough treating the casualty without worrying about dealing with comms side of things, and of course vice versa for the "signaler". It seems to me to be two jobs that require pretty much 100% attention when it comes to dealing with an injured bloke?
  3. meridian

    meridian LE Good Egg (charities)

    I dont they would be doing medic duties, just being a medic allows them to communicate with an inbound team on the condition of the casualty I think
  4. My reading of it is that by training them as Team Medics they understand what a 9-Liner means and so are able to send more accurate reports back to the Med Group - not that they would be the first choice medic to treat a casualty.

    But willing to be corrected by someone who actually knows!
  5. Fair one! That makes a lot more sense. Using them as both didn't ring true.
  6. All of my guys going out on H13 have all been through the team medic course for just this reason, whether the battalions decide to use us in that role we shall see but we've all done it and capable of doing it. That said, it won't be the signaller compiling the 9-liners/MISTAT's - just sending the details he is given - or atleast that's the impression we're being given
  7. It's amazing how proactive people become with defence cuts looming! Normally RSigs wouldn't be seen dead providing support at anything less than Bde level.
  8. I went on a briefing at Blandford in 98 which was primarily about Bowman it was clear then that the R Signals were looking to use Bowman to get their hands on teeth arm signals functions.

    This is not a new intitiative but the coming to fruition of a long held aspiration by the R Signals and a huge nail in the coffin for the regimental cap badged signallers

    I mean no disrespect to RSigs signallers who in my view are the experts at what they do at formation level. However I have always felt that they have no place at Teeth Arm Regt/Bn level.
  9. Look; its R Signals.

    the reason for infantry support teams is to provide expertise for infantry battalions that they just don't have. Radios (specifically BOWMAN) and satcom are becoming increasingly complicated equipments with ICS and Crypto requirements. We are only talking 5 blokes per battalion, not an extra medic per section.
  10. And it is support to not taking over from infantry signallers.
  11. meridian

    meridian LE Good Egg (charities)

    This just seems like common sense but is no one bothered that things have got so complicated that we need a communication specialist to send a short message to an aircraft

    Its a fatuous thing to say but communication technology has evolved to be usable, my 80 year old mother can send and receive text messages, use Skype and generally 'communicate' using a variety of tools and techniques, not because she is a comms guru, but because the industry has evolved to make communications simple by design.

    Are we going the other way, things are now so hideously complex that we need full time specialists just to communicate simple message
  12. In which case my apologies as the original post did not read like that.
  13. Not necessary but humbly accepted.
  14. Meridan, to use your analogy:

    Your dear old Ma can use Skype. What happens if Skype is not properly installed? What happens if Windows is not properly installed? What happens if Windows and Skype are properly installed but a setting is stopping one from using the other? What if the router with the ISP is not configured to allow Skype?

    It is not a case that the infantryman cannot use the radio. It is the full time support required to the network management of a sophisticated equipment with lots of bells and whistles. Full time support which takes an infantryman away from his bayonet.
  15. meridian

    meridian LE Good Egg (charities)

    thats the point I was trying to make though, are the bells and whistles essential and this is the price we must pay or have we allowed complexity to creep up on us for marginal benefit and now having to compensate