TA Whilst student

#1
Hi Guys,

I am currently a 1st year University student, having done a SSLC, and got an Army Bursary. In order to get my bursary, I either have to join OTC or TA. I am currently in the OTC, however I am finding it rather gash as I sit round instructing really menial stuff, or worse, doing nothing at all, we don't have any decent exercises, so on and so forth... basically I am finding it a waste of my time.

Now I know that I can swap over to the TA without too much of a drama, however, does anyone know what the chances of call up are, whilst a student, obviously there is a higher call up risk than OTC by some margin!

Whilst I am not unwilling to deploy, I would not exactly be delighted if I got called up and then have to resit a year at uni due to being called up 3 weeks before exams, or that sort of thing. (Is it possible f.i. to request that a deployment be delayed by a month or two in these sorts of circumstances?)

And finally, knowing relativley little of what the TA have been doing on TELIC and so on, what typically might a deployed TA Inf subbie be up to in Iraq? 18 hours a day watchkeeping or something? :roll:

Many thanks

SS
 
#2
As a student in full time education in the TA, you have an automatic right to have any mobilisation deferred or cancelled.

As an infantry subbie, if you go out with your own unit you could be doing an infantry subbies job - leading your troops on the ground - or you could be stagging on the front gate of Shaibah. Depends a lot on how your troops perform. Currently, the ARF is being provided by a TA Inf company, so there are some warry roles out there!

If you go under an individual mobilisation, you're far more likely to be watchkeeping.
 
#4
Im a student in the TA

I get a lot more money than OTC, and from talking to them we get the better excercise and expirience

Weigh that against better adventure training in the OTC, birds (but theres plenty of them at uni anyway), and the fact that you are more likley to get fucked about in TA (unless you are a hoffica)
 
#5
Gah!

As a GYC 2Lt, you're picking up a very amenable wage for doing very little of consequence. This has got to be better than getting, as Zulus
said, fcuked around in the TA.

If you're bored, it's probably your fault - throw yourself into Adv Trg or something,
people are always gagging for guys who know their way around the system
to sort some good craic out for the guys...

Sort out an attachment to the Field Army if you must satiate your need for
more than 10 rds per exercise - get it out of your system, and get back in the
bar.

Enjoy it while it lasts, milk the system, and then pay your dues later on, while
looking wistfully back on your OTC days as a perpetual roundabout of shagging.
drinking, shagging, drinking...ooh, exercis...fcuk it....shagging etc etc

For the love of God don't become one of those chippy TA student types who denigrate the
OTC while secretly hating the fact that they're not in it.

(Zulus - by no means tarring you with that brush, but they are out there!)
 
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#7
All my (old) uni OTC mates were boozing and looking forward to another weekend in Pirbright on £20 a day, whilst we were prepping our kit for 2 weeks field firing in Romania on £40 a day and slashing our £500 bounty up the wall. Ok, they might have been in the orifices mess, but I learnt a damn sight more about soldiering.

Regardless of the boozing etc, think of the skills set. When you do get commissioned, you won't be viewed by the SNCOs and JNCOs as just another OTC punter to break in.

You won't get called up.
 
#8
S_S

If you're in London, try the HAC.

Athough not Infantry, the basic training lasts a year - keeping you in UK. You will also see life from the other side of the track. Nor will it look bad on your CV.

TA over OTC?, bounty is definitely a plus.

A word of warning, a comrade in arms had all sorts of foul-ups on the admin front when moving between the two. That was with early Pamparrse, and things 'admin' and IT are sooo much better nowadays.

Good luck in whatever you plump for.
 
#9
I've just finished my degree up North and have been in the TA for 3 years - up here we have a scheem called the TA Sponsored Officers scheem (TASO) whereby you join your local TA unit and are paid by them but train with the OTC under your parent units Cap badge, all your pay uniform kit etc comes from your local unit which means you get proper TA pay (which is initailly less than OTC, the full TA bounty and all the training oppertunities that other TA soldiers get - for me it basically ment i could train twice a week and also do more weekends - which kept me in beer and tabs for 3 years, once you've finished MTQ 2 via OTC training scheem your then eligible for TACB and TA commisioning course at Sandhurst
 
#10
I've just finished my degree up North and have been in the TA for 3 years - up here we have a scheem called the TA Sponsored Officers scheem (TASO) whereby you join your local TA unit and are paid by them but train with the OTC under your parent units Cap badge, all your pay uniform kit etc comes from your local unit which means you get proper TA pay (which is initailly less than OTC, the full TA bounty and all the training oppertunities that other TA soldiers get - for me it basically ment i could train twice a week and also do more weekends - which kept me in beer and tabs for 3 years, once you've finished MTQ 2 via OTC training scheem your then eligible for TACB and TA commisioning course at Sandhurst
Obviously not an English degree... or just one too many beers?? :lol: :lol: :lol: 8O

(I won't highlight the punctuation :twisted: xxx)
 
#12
Well, there are something like 3 or 4 reasons under which you can appeal to have your compulsory call-out revoked.

(Only) one of these relates to education. The wording is something like "undergoing a course of education or training intended to prepare you for a vocation or career".

Interpreting this literally, perhaps this means that subjects like Nursing, Medicine or Engineering might get you off but that something like History wouldn't?
 
#13
freebie said:
I've just finished my degree up North and have been in the TA for 3 years - up here we have a scheem called the TA Sponsored Officers scheem (TASO) whereby you join your local TA unit and are paid by them but train with the OTC under your parent units Cap badge, all your pay uniform kit etc comes from your local unit which means you get proper TA pay (which is initailly less than OTC, the full TA bounty and all the training oppertunities that other TA soldiers get - for me it basically ment i could train twice a week and also do more weekends - which kept me in beer and tabs for 3 years, once you've finished MTQ 2 via OTC training scheem your then eligible for TACB and TA commisioning course at Sandhurst
Obviously not an English degree... or just one too many beers?? :lol: :lol: :lol: 8O

(I won't highlight the punctuation :twisted: xxx)
Snuday nite beres im ofrayed
 
#14
Squirrel,

It is possible to do both. The TASO scheme doesn't really apply to you because your already commissioned but if you talk nicely to your local TA inf unit they'll probably let you tranfer into them while keeping working at the OTC... everyone needs subbies. It helps if your the same cap badge as the adj. :wink:

However be aware the TA inf is not the regulars, with the possible exception of Annual Camp, TA weekends can be described along the lines of aggressive camping... the lads have full time jobs so 48 hours with minimal sleep isn't really feasible. If your OTC's up to much there should be opportunities to play war occasionally and with fully manned platoons.

If you want any specific advice PM me.
 
#15
barkingbugle said:
TA weekends can be described along the lines of aggressive camping... the lads have full time jobs so 48 hours with minimal sleep isn't really feasible.

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I think you will find that depends on your CO mate

The last few weekends I've done I have gotten between 2 and 8 hours doss, the rest of the time wasnt monging about, it was spent doing advance to contacts, ctrs etc

There's a few ex-regs in my platoon who say our weekends under the new CO are just like the excercises they did in the regs, so to tar all TA inf units with the same brush is a bit unfair
 
#16
I too am an army bursar and RCB pass-type and have been in the TA since 6th form (although i dabbled in the UOTC for all of a month in my first year). For gods sake joing the TA. This was recommended by all three of my sponsors for RCB (all combat arms units, mind...so maybe this is a little biased) Better yet, ditch the officer ideas and serve as a Tom in the TA until you get to RMAS - experience army life from the bottom end and I reckon it will make you a better officer.
Generally, you will find the TA is most accommodating when it comes to students, and you will normally gain a great deal more respect through actual soldiering, rather than getting drunk with the OTC. The training offered is generally a lot more specialist, intensive and interesting. What is more, the general standard (in the infantry anyway) is generally quite high and you will find you not only get much fitter, but also that your character matures in leaps and bounds. Whereas with the TA you will meet a wider variety of people with differing civvy jobs and attitudes, as opposed to the typical "i am a potential officer and i am drinking my way through university" type found at your local kiddies gun club.
With regards to mobilisation - no the TA will not mobilise you, but you can still volunteer if you fancy a study break :D
With regards to the women, OTC lads tend to have problems finding them anywhere else, and to be honest most of them are clinically minging. Stick to normal women and see them as women, not as other officer cadets or objects - you will get MUCH more of it this way, trust me. In addition, a lot of 'career minded' UOTC lasses will often go for the TA soldier/officer over another OCdt.
Brief summary...
Do you want to learn to be a soldier and improve yourself into a mature, upright and responsible individual well suited to a good officer career? TA
Do you want to get the wrong impression of army life early on, by indulging in pathetic excuses for field weekends where the DS bring a bar , mixing with over-educated and under-developed flop heads and drinking yourself to obesity? UOTC
Disclaimer: Any vehement hatred of officer training corps units evident in the above outburst is the result of experience and guided judgement, combined with a recognised preference for actually EARNING money while doing part-time soldiering. Obviously I am aware that there are a proportion of deserving and dedicated OCdts out there... just not met many.
 
#17
barkingbugle said:
Squirrel,

It is possible to do both. The TASO scheme doesn't really apply to you because your already commissioned but if you talk nicely to your local TA inf unit they'll probably let you tranfer into them while keeping working at the OTC... everyone needs subbies. It helps if your the same cap badge as the adj. :wink:

However be aware the TA inf is not the regulars, with the possible exception of Annual Camp, TA weekends can be described along the lines of aggressive camping... the lads have full time jobs so 48 hours with minimal sleep isn't really feasible. If your OTC's up to much there should be opportunities to play war occasionally and with fully manned platoons.

If you want any specific advice PM me.
...and of course, an OTC exercise is on a par with cambrian patrol or P Coy every single time... Idiot.
 
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#19
barkingbugle said:
Squirrel,

However be aware the TA inf is not the regulars, with the possible exception of Annual Camp, TA weekends can be described along the lines of aggressive camping... the lads have full time jobs so 48 hours with minimal sleep isn't really feasible. If your OTC's up to much there should be opportunities to play war occasionally and with fully manned platoons.

If you want any specific advice PM me.
I love aggressive camping, beats aggressive drinking with the OTC, or aggressively getting my nose up the the adjts sphincter in the mess.

48 hrs without sleep isn't feasible? How many TA weekends have you done BB? I average 3/4 hours sleep per weekend whilst 'aggressive' camping, whilst I'm doing my non-aggressive ptl reports, recces, orders, tabs in/out, day/night pl attacks :?

I'd argue the TA is closer to the regulars than the OTC. You never know, the TA might one day support the Regs on operations.... 8O
 
#20
i was on a range weekend last weekend and probably got about 8 hrs all together - most field weekends i've been on i got about 2-3 hrs for the whole thing as your head down time is generally periodically interupted by stag and doing recce's etc. The key is usually grabbing 5 mins when you can safely do so
 

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