TA undermanning

#1
There seems to be a awful lot in the press right now about the regs being under-strength, but no-one seems to have reported the problems the TA are facing...

Specifically the desperate shortage of Young Officers.

msr
 
#2
Totally agree MSR

with the New Regiment that i transferred to last year, we turned up on regimental weekends to find that our squadron was by far the best turned out sqaudron in the regiment in fact id go as far to say that we had as much from our sqaudron 30+ troops turn up to the than sometimes as much as the rest of the Sqaudrons put together.

& from that we got amalgamated into another Saudron & went to a troop with the same amount still turning up, had about 35+ on parade 2 week ago
 
#3
Was it covered in that NAO report that was published last week?
 
#4
thegreyman said:
Was it covered in that NAO report that was published last week?
No, that only looked at the regulars. There was one aobut the TA a few months ago.

msr
 
#5
I'm sitting here ready willing and able to help out my specialist unit but i cannot do so untill i have completed CMSR which will be in July next year. I signed up over two months ago and my unit is desperate for people with my skills.

I enquired about officer training but i'm too old at 41. I could however become a junior NCO which they tell me would take around three years assuming the course dates work out favourably.

Not sure how relevant this is to the title of this thread but perhaps it gives some idea of how long it takes to get people through the system.
 
#6
msr said:
thegreyman said:
Was it covered in that NAO report that was published last week?
No, that only looked at the regulars. There was one aobut the TA a few months ago.

msr
Got a link?
 
#8
Rockhopperst4 said:
I'm sitting here ready willing and able to help out my specialist unit but i cannot do so untill i have completed CMSR which will be in July next year. I signed up over two months ago and my unit is desperate for people with my skills.

I enquired about officer training but i'm too old at 41. I could however become a junior NCO which they tell me would take around three years assuming the course dates work out favourably.

Not sure how relevant this is to the title of this thread but perhaps it gives some idea of how long it takes to get people through the system.
Even in my few years in the TA i must have seen 20+ people turn up keen as f**k then bugger off after a few weeks of waiting around for an army number and kit to be issued.

I think boredom is the biggest loss to the TA, not fitness requirments or fear of being mobilised.

Rather than standing around doing bullsh*t get these guys running around like nutcases doing well rehearsed lessons (weapons handling, drill) not sitting around the TAC being treated like their wrapped up in cotten wool for fear of scaring them off.

For example, when i joined i expected to be shouted at, beasted to f**k and taught skills and drills, the reality was me and the other recruits sitting around waiting for someone to take us for a lesson which would consist of the JNCO taking it talking to us like bezza mates and feeling totally isolated from the other members of the unit who were at least getting to do the fun stuff at weekends whilst we were still waiting to be attested or have our kit issued.
 
#9
msr said:
Specifically the desperate shortage of Young Officers.

msr
The TA may find it easier to recruit more Young Officers if they were more pro-active about it. I was interested in joining TA units in the North West as an officer and the response was pretty poor, telephones often unanswered, web queries never replied to whilst at the same time, other reserve forces were doing everything they could - so that's who I am joining.

In my humble opinion all it takes is prompt reply, compress as much of the application process into one single visit shortly after initial contact and Bob's you uncle.
 
#11
msr said:
but no-one seems to have reported the problems the TA are facing...
Not seen a lot of figures but numbers in TA Sigs is on upward spiral (all around 80% strength), however some TA Infantry sub units are supposed to be around 40% strength and will be shut down
 
#12
u8dmtm said:
The TA may find it easier to recruit more Young Officers if they were more pro-active about it. I was interested in joining TA units in the North West as an officer and the response was pretty poor, telephones often unanswered, web queries never replied to whilst at the same time, other reserve forces were doing everything they could - so that's who I am joining.

In my humble opinion all it takes is prompt reply, compress as much of the application process into one single visit shortly after initial contact and Bob's you uncle.
Just for contrast, I went from online enquiry to application form on my doorstep in three days; application sent to medical and attestation date in three weeks; and attestation to first training course (with kit issue) in four weeks.

Every email I have sent has been answered promptly (within 2 days) by an AO, or, if he/she didn't know, one of the Recruiting or Training Majors.

I have had a good experience thus far.

FF.
 
#13
The TA should place a more of an emphasis on advertising and recruiting pre-Uni students. Although the majority are chavs/druggies/politically left there is a sizeable amount of students that would be particularly interested and motivated in joining the TA and probably thought they couldnt due to a number of myths/assumptions. What I reckon is a particularly good idea especially with the amounts of students taking them is a TA 'Gap Year' consisting of 6 months training then 6 months Operation/FTRS after which the person would go to Uni and probably stay in the unit rather than them going to the OTC. 4 Para has pursued this resulting in actual comptetition for places.
 
#16
I have only been in a specialist unit so my experiences are from there, but I have not had any major problems like most the stuff I read on here, and coming up for almost 4 years.
From the time I applied on line It took me 8 months to finish basic which I thought was not to bad going, seeing I don't live in the mainland and have to fly across.
The unit I am in also has a holding squadron, so people doing or are about to start basic can be called in and at least feel like they belong to something. I don't have to much to do with the recruitment side but what I have been told we have a lot of new people coming in.
 
#17
u8dmtm said:
But in terms of recruiting Officers, do 17/18 year olds make good leaders?
Well perhaps you should listen to the bloke who talked at my JOTAC, who was a coy 2ic in Malaysia at 20...

msr
 
#18
msr said:
u8dmtm said:
But in terms of recruiting Officers, do 17/18 year olds make good leaders?
Well perhaps you should listen to the bloke who talked at my JOTAC, who was a coy 2ic in Malaysia at 20...

msr
My point is that if you're looking to turn around civlians into leaders quickly then perhaps the focus should be on those who are already leaders in civilian life and have a bit more life-experience. That isn't to say that this cannot be developed in people aged 17/18 but just that it might take longer and so focusing on it, which was the original sugestion I responded to might not be the best approach.
 
#19
Hate to agree with MSR but he's right. My own TA unit has been experiencing recruiting difficulties, officers and OR's, for a long while and faces an uncertain future because of it.

I believe we need to look at we require, being a specialist unit, in an effort to recruit younger soldiers rather than those ex regs who have only a few years more left in them. Aim at the older cadets leaving school and going into college before university; aim for students at college in the final phase of their technical courses.

Units could advise soldiers having a hard time balancing TA with civillian life to consider temporary attachments of a year or more to specialist units to keep them in the TA. Instead they see them walk rather than benifit another unit. Some units might give a soldier a years break in training for a soldier who then looses interest and drifts away from the TA, wouldn't a lower 19 day comittment for a limited period help them to stay interested?

The RMR have a very high turnover and many worthwhile potential soldiers who cannot give the RMR all it requires are lost to the TA as a result. We dont want the biffs, but many are very good material who simply cannot do two nights a week (one training and the other PT) and every other weekend for the better part of two years.

There are lots of ways to recruit but talking to the recruiting staff I sometimes get the impression they are hiding behind the difficulties rather than finding ways to overcome them.

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